Two Worlds - Now Available in NA

[Dhruin]

Southpeak sent over the following announcement:
SOUTHPEAK GAMES RELEASES TWO WORLDS FOR PC AND XBOX 360™

Eagerly Anticipated Role-Playing Game Gives “Player Freedom” Like Never Before

SEATTLE, WA - August 24, 2007 – SouthPeak Games, from the 2007 Penny Arcade Expo (PAX), today announced that Two Worlds, the publisher’s new, open-ended role-playing game for PC and the Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system from Microsoft is now available in stores nationwide. Two Worlds features over a hundred hours of single-player quests, stackable weapons and magic, as well as epic online multiplayer PvP and RPG gameplay. PAX show attendees will be among the first to experience Two Worlds through demos and mini competitions at the SouthPeak Booth # 603 during the three-day game festival for tabletop, videogame, and PC gamers.

Developed by TopWare Interactive and Reality Pump Studios, Two Worlds delivers the ultimate role-playing challenge. The game features unprecedented “player freedom,” with player decisions shaping the world permanently and directly affecting how the world reacts to the mere presence of the main mercenary character. Their journeys will take them through cities, dungeons, snow-covered mountains, bamboo forests, barren deserts and cause kings to be overthrown, cities to be sacked, and organizations to be eradicated. The world lives its own life, but it’s well within the player’s power to change it. The entire game of Two Worlds explodes with personality and original features like stackable weapons and magic - for the first time in an RPG, every item you collect has value. The ambience is at a new level with stunning graphics and Grammy Award winning composer Harold Faltermeyer providing the soundtrack. Combine this with online options that allow players to adventure together, and it’s easy to see why Two Worlds is destined to become the premier role-playing game experience.
“Two Worlds is a huge leap forward for role-playing games in terms of scale and new ideas,” said Melanie Mroz, Executive VP of SouthPeak. “We can’t wait for everyone to start exploring the world of Antaloor.”
The storyline, based in the ancient world of Antaloor, thrusts players into a silent war amongst all of the civilized races and the Orc hordes, an evil legion of vicious beasts. The Orcs are desperately seeking to rediscover the power of their fallen leader, Aziraal, the god of war to launch their own holy crusade and take over the world. As one of the few people able to unlock the secrets of Aziraal’s tomb, gamers play a pivotal role in this ancient conflict. All the forces of the world wish to find the tomb first and seize its power. It is up to the players to save the world or destroy it.
Two Worlds is rated M for Mature, and comes in both a Standard Edition and Collector’s Edition for both platforms. The collector’s version includes a bonus disc with additional art, videos and music, along with a collector edition map and hardbound role-playing book based off the game. For more information about Two Worlds or SouthPeak Games, please visit www.2-worlds.com (http://www.2-worlds.com/) or www.southpeakgames.com (http://www.southpeakgames.com/). More information. (http://www.rpgwatch.com/show/newsbit?newsbit=6116)

[Melvil]

Been enjoying it since yesterday afternoon, really good game in the vein of gothic meets diablo meets divine divinity in 3d. Mage path is fun with plenty of strategy if you don't decide to use the few "I win" spells. Little unbalanced, but huge engrossing world with plenty to do. Nothing has seemed out of place yet and I think I'm about 1/3 the way through the story.

[txa1265]

I picked up my copy at Best Buy today.

[Corwin]

It's still not available here!! :(

[Gorath]

Release during the GC and at the same time as Bioshock. Congratualtions.

[txa1265]

Release during the GC and at the same time as Bioshock. Congratualtions.

And you thought Harry Potter was the only one with a Cloak of Invisibility! :D

[JDR13]

I picked up my copy at Best Buy today.


Best Buy sucks.

[Jabberwocky]

The high point for me is the soundtrack.... The song playing during the main menu is unmistakeably Nightwish, a very accomplished opera-goth metal band I enjoy listening to. I need to find that to download...

I haven't bought this yet, I'm just briefly trying out the demo. Framerates are unplayable even on medium settings - worse than G3 on equivelent settings. Is that what to expect?? I've got a fairly new PC with Radeon X1300 video card. I know it's a mid/low end video card but it has been adequate on every other newer game I have.. so.... any ideas?

I lowered the settings and frames improved but graphics are disgusting at minimum levels. I won't be buying this if that's as good as it gets. :(

[Jabberwocky]

I just noticed that Nightwish has a new album releasing September 28th, so maybe the song is on that.

[Geist]

I really like Nightwish too, but I don't remember hearing that they did any work on Two Worlds. According to this IGN article (http://music.ign.com/articles/812/812618p1.html), Harold Faltermeyer was responsible for the soundtrack which also featured performances by the band AmberMoon and a singer named Kyra (I hope they didn't mix this up with Kira the sister).

[Dhruin]

My experience is that TW scales quite well...it plays plays OK (just) on my laptop (X600). Unfortunately, that X1300 is on the very low side of low-mid. Of course, we don't know your other specs. ;)

[Sir Markus]

Framerates are unplayable even on medium settings - worse than G3 on equivelent settings. Is that what to expect?? (

I had the same problem with the demo (extremely low framerates, etc.) I have a decent mid-range system that still pretty much tackles anything thrown at it with some features disabled, but the demo for Two Worlds made my machine cry. In any case, they've released three patches since it's release, and I doubt they patched the demo, but I could be wrong. It looked like a fun game, so I'm gonna pick it up and see if it runs better at ver. 1.04 than the demo I downloaded on day 1. If not, I'll put it on ebay or more likely put it on the shelf, because I'm building a new computer sometime before the end of the year, and I'll play it then.

[Jabberwocky]

@ Geist: Really? I believe you... But if it really isn't them, please tell me I'm not going crazy and that it sounds exactly like them.?? I mean the song style and everything is like something they would do, and the vocals were dead-on!

@ Dhruin: Other relevant specs are Pentium Core2 E6300 chip with 2 gigs RAM. Low-end card or not, it ought to be running better than it is... I play Need for Speed Carbon, X3 Reunion, Medieval II Total War, and even the performance hog Gothic III on medium to high graphical settings, and do not have any problems, so something's up.

@ Sir Markus: Your experience with the demo is encouraging, but I assumed the demo just released would have been patched, No? Anyway, keep me posted on how it does when you get the full version. I want to play this game, but I don't want to waste money if it isn't going to work...

[Gorath]

@ Dhruin: Other relevant specs are Pentium Core2 E6300 chip with 2 gigs RAM. Low-end card or not, it ought to be running better than it is... I play Need for Speed Carbon, X3 Reunion, Medieval II Total War, and even the performance hog Gothic III on medium to high graphical settings, and do not have any problems, so something's up.

The mentioned games are not putting a lot of pressure on the graphics card. Yours is an office card. It´s unadequate for a gamer system. You should Ebay that card and buy at least a carefully chosen card between 100 and 150$. Beware of noise!



Nightwish is cooperating with CD Projekt on The Witcher. It´s hard to believe they´re promoting two RPGs at the same time.

[Alrik Fassbauer]

Is it that with the RPG book in the collector's edition ?
I'm still angry that the German collector's edition has a card game instead of that.
Apart from some other things.
I would rather have liked to see an RPG book, but without it's not interesting for me anymore.


Edit : By the way, someone at the Larian boards said that turning off the shadows makes the game run more smoothly than before.

[Jabberwocky]

@ Gorath: Why do you say those games don't stress the card? What's the difference - especially comparing Gothic??
*BTW, I PAID $100 for the card... the plan being for it to get me by until DX10 supported cards came out. Well now they're here, so I'm probably spending $300 on my next card.

@ Alrik: Turning off shadows slightly improved performance, and promptly made the game look ten years older...:-/

[Moriendor]

@ Gorath: Why do you say those games don't stress the card? What's the difference - especially comparing Gothic??

Gorath was right about your card being an office card and it not really being suitable for gaming but I was also wondering about that other part of his post :) . If you want to see record high temperatures on your GPU then just run the X3 benchmark or stress test or what it's called. It's nuts. I've never seen my GPU temp go higher than that. X3 is definitely very demanding. NFS: Carbon is not exactly gentle on the GPU either as soon as you turn on those shiny surfaces, reflections and all that jazz. Though it will actually still look pretty decent with some of the shader-heavy effects turned off so it's just not as noticeable when you turn it to medium/low settings. It will not automatically start to look like crap like some other games do. No clue about Medieval 2. Only played the demo but out of the games you mentioned it's probably the least demanding in terms of GPU.

[Jabberwocky]

Yes, Moriendor, you're exactly right - Medieval 2 is the least demanding. But as far as I'm concerned, X3 and NFS Carbon (which btw, I run with all the "jazz") are roughly equivilent to an average FPS, which, as we all know, produce the heaviest stress on a card.

What we need is for one more person to come on here and trash my video card... :wall:
I know it's an office card already!!! I knew that when I bought it... like I said, it was just a temporary because I bought a new system that needed a card, and I didn't want to drop big bucks on one that would only support DX9.
But bang for the buck, that office card wasn't doing too shabby until Two Worlds came along, and I'm just wondering what the big difference is with that game?? No matter... LOL

[Moriendor]

I'm just wondering what the big difference is with that game??

Oh :) . Well, I think the difference is that Two Worlds with its huge open world with lots of vegetation and high viewing distances, dynamic lighting etc. requires a lot of video RAM and a fast link/bandwidth between the GPU and the video card's memory as a lot of textures need to be processed, loaded, swapped in and out all the time. That's where the X1300 doesn't shine. It's limited in all three categories that matter here, i.e. raw power (GPU clock), bandwidth and general memory performance (including the amount of it).
X3 as a space game has more repeating elements and doesn't nearly have the density of objects as a game with vegetation. It only starts to graphically lag when there are a lot of ships (or a huge ship) to render.
And NFS: Carbon has predefined race tracks so the only GPU demanding task is to render the competing cars, the reflections on them, the lighting from them etc. so if you're a good driver and leading the pack all the time (having no other cars on screen with you at a time) then it would probably perform pretty well even on a low end card.

To be honest I'm quite surprised that you can run both games maxed out on an X1300 :) .

[txa1265]

Best Buy sucks.

I'll take them over GameStop / EBGames 10 times out of 10. And they had it in stock ... and it is on my way home ;)

[Lucky Day]

I won't buy anything big at Best Buy since they promised to exchange my laptop then lied 3 days later when the replacement was supposed to be in. They even tried to foist me out of the store by giving the number for customer service on the back of an Extended Service card. I could go into more detail but, meh.

When I worked at Circuit City a disgruntled customer at least would get some compromise from the management but it appears Best Buy uses its leverage as a big box store to quash any major losses. Now the CC is falling into hard times I wouldn't be surprised if their return policies were becoming the same.

On the other hand I just read Costco's policy. They automatically extend all new TV's and Computers warranty to a maximum of two years.

Gamespot, etc. has a good policy on software exchanges however they open all the boxes and remove the innards before putting them on the floor. It feels like I bought a used game when I leave the store.

Getting back on topic, I wonder if Two Worlds comes with SecuROM?

[magerette]

Getting back on topic, I wonder if Two Worlds comes with SecuROM?

I don't know but it sounds like that or something similar in this activation faq (http://www.2-worlds.com/_load_txt.php?l=en&act=akt)on the official site.

Playing the demo atm and I like what I see, but they definitely dump you totally clueless into the game. And the interface is far from intuitive.That's okay in a boxed game with a manual, but for a naked demo a fifteen minute tutorial would have been nice, especially for those of us who are hot-key challenged. :)

[JDR13]

I'll take them over GameStop / EBGames 10 times out of 10. And they had it in stock ... and it is on my way home ;)


I don't like either of those places but I would put GameStop / EBGames as the lesser evil.

I will drive 10+ miles out of my way and pay more money to purchase something from Circuit City, Comp USA, etc, rather than give money to Best Buy.

[Corwin]

Sept 6th is now the release date for down under!! Not amused.

[Moriendor]

I don't know but it sounds like that or something similar in this activation faq (http://www.2-worlds.com/_load_txt.php?l=en&act=akt)on the official site.

I believe (not 100% sure) that it is a proprietary system of their own. The FAQ entry "...It is also possible to create backup copies of the original DVD..." doesn't sound like SecuROM. SecuROM -in addition to the activation- usually comes with copy protection on the disc so it's usually not possible to create backups (at least not with regular backup creation methods or programs ;) ).

[Dark Savant]

Here is an interesting post about xbox360 patch
http://www.insidetwoworlds.com/showthread.php?t=27717

[txa1265]

I will drive 10+ miles out of my way and pay more money to purchase something from Circuit City, Comp USA, etc, rather than give money to Best Buy.
I know this is off-topic at this point, but can I ask why?
I believe (not 100% sure) that it is a proprietary system of their own. The FAQ entry "...It is also possible to create backup copies of the original DVD..." doesn't sound like SecuROM. SecuROM -in addition to the activation- usually comes with copy protection on the disc so it's usually not possible to create backups (at least not with regular backup creation methods or programs ;) ).
That was my take as well. Activation seems to work well enough, but like everyone else, I don't like to have to do it because of the long-term implications.

[Moriendor]

IThat was my take as well. Activation seems to work well enough, but like everyone else, I don't like to have to do it because of the long-term implications.

I don't know how Reality Pump/Zuxxez are dealing with their North American/international support but the German support is pretty good. They are very liberal in regards to the activation. If you sell your copy on eBay then it's no problem for the new owner to get it activated for example. You just need to call a hotline number (unfortunately one with fees though at 0.99c/minute) and you can get a new code.
I would also expect them to remove the activation via a patch once the international versions have been out for a while. Their activation system has been cracked in the first week (IIRC) anyway so it wouldn't really make sense to require it in the long run.

[Rendelius]

My experience with this game is: It shines for an hour or two, until you stumble into the many weaknesses of gameplay, the engine, AI, balance(!!!!!) and the story. After these two hours you feel betrayed by a polished piece of rubbish.

To be fair, I haven't used the latest patch (which is supposed to fix at least some balance problems), so it might be better now than it was after the first few patches.

[aries100]

I played the demo with its inbuilt 1.5 patch/service release. And I didn't experience
any major issues with this game. There were some minor framerates and clipping issues when the game autosaved every 5 minutes (like I had told it to do).

Normally, in games, like these, I always make sure to go into settings (or options), then keyboard (or controls) to learn how to use what key for what action. If you have played Oblivion, this game uses the same system. F draws your weapon, spacebar is the action bar e.g. press space(bar) if you want to talk to someone, use something or open a door and there's a hotkey button for your spell(s). Apparently you can assign spells to your Right Mouse Button (RMB), but I haven't quite figured out a way to do so yet.

I find the interface very intuitive, but then again, maybe it's because I'm used to playing crpg games?? or just computer games in general. I mean CTRL always seem to be doing something in any computer game, so does spacebar and so does the numerical line above your keyboard's letters. You move with the WSAD key. E makes you jump and Q makes you jump backwards.

[zakhal]

I took me 5min to get the basics of the UI and get my first level. The UI is nothing not seen before.

[magerette]

Thanks aries100! Maybe I'll actually get to play this demo after all. I went into the keyboard options screen, but I must have missed that 'f draws your weapon' part--which may be intuitive for you, but not apparently for me. ;) I was standing there staring at goblins while they slashed me to a bloody pulp and left-clicking did absolutely nothing, even though 'attack=LMB' is what's listed in the options. Pulled my Gothic memories out and tried hitting enter, spacebar, etc but 'f' just didn't come to mind.

My main problem is having the left mouse button pretty much disabled for all the usual actions(i.e., select, interact, put a skill on the hotbar, etc.) I don't at all mind using hot keys, but first it helps to know what they are.

Thanks again for the help. :)

[JDR13]

I know this is off-topic at this point, but can I ask why?
.

For the same reason that Lucky Day talked about, bad experiences with poor customer service as well as their store policies. I have many friends and family members who also refuse to do business with BB anymore due to seperate experiences.

[Sir Markus]

Wow I picked up the US release of this game, and what a HUGE improvement over the demo. The version I have is 1.5 and plays like a dream on my middle of the road computer. It reminds me of Oblivion, except that the interface has large inventory icons and a true drag and drop system like they used to do in PC CRPG's before consoles came along.

I'm only about 5 or 6 hours into it, but it's a lot of fun. Combat is pretty much hack and slash like Oblivion. You can learn moves as you level. The game is hard, there doesn't seem to be any 'scaling' nonsense. If you wander into an area where you're not supposed to be, you will get jumped and die in short order. There's no penalty whatsoever for dying near as I can tell; you just resurrect at the nearest shrine or something. That's a questionable design decision IMO, there should be SOME penalty for dying, but that's what the designers ran with. Also, running up hills in this game is just dumb. Archers scamper away from you up a hill like Peter Pan, while your guy slogs along chasing him like he's running in quicksand, with you taking arrows the whole time. That needs to get fixed. Leveling up is old school you have the typical stats to raise, so far I get five points to use per level. Then you get 2 points to add to your skills. I might get tired of this game so it's too early to recommend. I will say though that this release 1.5 runs MILES better than the demo I played a while back. The game still doesn't look all that great IMO; it's kind of grungy looking but the graphics are by no means horrible. It still has flaws, but overall my first impressions are very positive.

[zakhal]

There's no penalty whatsoever for dying near as I can tell; you just resurrect at the nearest shrine or something. That's a questionable design decision IMO, there should be SOME penalty for dying, but that's what the designers ran with.

Resurrection is part of the game difficulty. You resurrect only in easy and medium
difficulty. On hard the game is over if you die.


Also, running up hills in this game is just dumb. Archers scamper away from you up a hill like Peter Pan, while your guy slogs along chasing him like he's running in quicksand, with you taking arrows the whole time. That needs to get fixed.

Hide behind somthing and the archer will come close up to you where you can jump and quickly finish him with repeated hits. Achers are almost too easy to kill.

(These comments were based on the 1.5 demo.)



The game still doesn't look all that great IMO; it's kind of grungy looking but the graphics are by no means horrible. It still has flaws, but overall my first impressions are very positive.

The game doesnt look like in the pictures even though I have max graphics. There is somkind of extra graphics panel (pc only naturally) thing that you can d/l separately from the official forums. You might be able to improve the graphics with that (or then not).

[Alrik Fassbauer]

@ Alrik: Turning off shadows slightly improved performance, and promptly made the game look ten years older...:-/

Okay, I wouldn't have any problems with that, since I *always* play games that are 10 years older ... :D

[Jabberwocky]

@ Alrik: Well to each his own! :lol:

@ Mo: NFS Carbon I play on max settings, but you are right - I'm always ahead of the pack, and there is some lag at the starting line but as soon as I'm clear of the other drivers it's smooth sailing.

I do not play X3 on max settings. I'd say more like 75% of max. Anyway, case closed... I need a new card.

Thanks for giving me some substantial tech talk to go off of other than "your card sucks" :)

[Gorath]

Maybe I generalized a bit too much when I said those games wouldn´t put heavy load on your graphics card.
Anyway, if you bought it to get you over the time until decent DX10 cards are available I think you should stick to this plan. The first gen DX10 cards nor not that much faster than the last gen DX9 cards. I´ve seen many reviews saying that especially the middle class is a disappointment and not really worth the money. We have a thread about this stuff in the technical forum.
If I were you I would sit on this crappy office card until the perfect replacement begs to be purchased: faster, compatible and silent. ;) Other solutions are not cost effective when the next chip upgrade is around the corner.

[Sir Markus]

Hide behind somthing and the archer will come close up to you where you can jump and quickly finish him with repeated hits. Achers are almost too easy to kill.

(These comments were based on the 1.5 demo.)

Thanks for the combat tip, zakhal; I have a few hours of free time to play the game later, and I'll try that technique.

[Jabberwocky]

Thanks Gorath, that's good to know. I don't usually visit the tech forum but i'll check it out. I was thinking of going with a card around the $300 - $350 range. I want to play Two Worlds, but Medieval Kingdoms comes out in a few days and I know I can play that on my current system, so I think I'll buy that and hold off on the more graphics intensive products.

[JDR13]

Does anyone know what version the US demo is or how to check? Just curious if it's 1.5.


Not impressed at all with this game so far, The landscape is nice and the music is adequate, but that's about it. It's nice to get a bug-free CRPG nowadays, but this game really lacks the atmosphere of a Gothic or Elder Scrolls game imho.

And the combat......OMG, it's Diablo with a 3D camera!

[Sir Markus]

Does anyone know what version the US demo is or how to check? Just curious if it's 1.5.

It's on the opening screen (the one with 'New Game', 'Load Game' ect., in the lower left corner.

[JDR13]

It's on the opening screen (the one with 'New Game', 'Load Game' ect., in the lower left corner.

Thanks, it is indeed 1.5. I feel like an ass for not noticing it before. :)

[zakhal]

They just released SDK development kit:

SDK - Software Development Kit released

Today we can announce the release of the anticipated Modkit. The SDK contains various tools to modify Two Worlds (PC) and its content. The SDK will be exclusively hosted and supported by Inside Two Worlds.

Inside Two Worlds is the oldest and biggest site dedicated to Two Worlds. We are hosting already several modifications. We are now offering first class support directly from the developers of the game. Also, we are collecting all informations regarding the engine into our SDK Wiki - you are invited to participate. Currently we are searching for people that can write Tutorials.

You can request unlimited ftp-webspace, a subdomain, dedicated galleries and your own managed forum - all for FREE. Additionally, all your modifications hosted on Inside Two Worlds will be available for automatic install/update via Two Worlds Control Panel.

To download the SDK you have to register and apply for the status as modifications developer.

Related links:

* Download the SDK (Tools and Maya examples)
* More details about the included tools and documents
* Development Wiki
* Developers Corner - Ask the devs

http://board.zuxxez.com/showthread.php?t=29369


Heres the contents:
There will be no official support for the SDK, due to its complexity. Fortunately, the devs promised to help out in the dedicated SDK forums here on Inside Two Worlds.

The SDK will consist of these tools:
Map Editor - Editor for maps. Additionally, the devs included related scripts and commands, which they used to create maps

Quest Editor - Editor for quests and language files

Underground Editor - Editor for dungeons

ParticleEdit - Change effects

Game interface definition files - Change Interface. Requires Microsoft Excel

Models - Plugin for Maya with example data. Requires Autodesk Maya 7.0 or 8.5

Parameters - Change all parameters. Requires Microsoft Excel

EarthC - EarthC development environment incl. basic documentation, command line compiler, debugging environment and C preprocessor.

Scripts - Sourcecode for all game scripts

WDCreator - Create .WD Archives (command line)


See our SDK Gallery for how the Tools look like:
http://www.insidetwoworlds.com/galle...mages.php?c=24

Not a Part of the SDK, but will make creating mods easier:
TreeGen - Creating truly realistic trees and plants in 3D


Beside the official SDK, there are tools which fits into the SDK. Inside Operations released them already:
WDPackager 2.0 - Compress/Uncompress .WD Archives (GUI)
LangEdit 2.0 - Edit .LAN Languages files (GUI)

Looks very promising for mods!

[txa1265]

I only hope it can make a difference ... when the coverage and 'mind share' at a major RPG place is about 10:1 in favor of a FPS over your game ... it isn't so good ;)

That said, I'm very much enjoying it - it isn't 'great', but I'm having a good enough time so far.

[Sir Markus]

I'm enjoying it quite a bit. And JDR13 is right; it's Diablo with a 3d camera. It's basically a first person Diablo. Personally, I liked Diablo 1 and 2. It's fun sifting through all of the loot, and its a game in and of itself trying to figure out what's best for your character, and what to sell. It's easy to get around with the teleporters. I also like the fact that the game pauses if you access your inventory during combat to use a potion, change weapons, armor, etc. Load times are almost instantaneous, it looks pretty good, not great, but nice. The more I play this game, the more I like it.

[redman5427]

I think this game is a blast and I have been having a lot of fun with the Mp as well. From reading the posts at the oficial site it looks like the xbox version is not as good or maybe the machine can't handle the game. I think it needs 1 more patch for the multiplayer and to me it seems like this is the game I wished Dungeon Lords had been

[rooroosta]

Looks like a fun game..might go buy it when released here.

[crpgnut]

Add me to the list of people enjoying this. It isn't great, but it is decent. I'm still looking for a female outside of my nearly-naked sister Gothgirl. Do girls not exist in Poland? What a sad country it must be :D

[nessosin]

Add me to the list of people enjoying this. It isn't great, but it is decent. I'm still looking for a female outside of my nearly-naked sister Gothgirl. Do girls not exist in Poland? What a sad country it must be :D

We just dont want to advertise our beautifull women because it would only cause more competition for us :).

[zakhal]

If you dont allready have it, you should really get the control panel. You can use it to tweak two worlds (graphics, manage mods, lenght of day/night,sunrise/sunset,record movies, enable gamepad, etc). Heres a screenshot:
http://www.insidetwoworlds.com/gallery/albums/1-TCP_082_Mods.JPG

Download:
http://www.insidetwoworlds.com/local_links.php?catid=13&linkid=21