Wheel of Time.

[Acleacius]

I should install Wheel of Time, maybe one of the best Stories in a First Person Mage game. ;)
Think it was written by the Legend team, the story takes place before all the novels, it has some of the most well developed characters in any game to date.

There is quite diverse gameplay with some stragic elements and unless your playing on Easy mode don't expect it to be anything other than very difficult.
Seriously don't try this game on anything but Easy unless you are very experienced at action games, you get less Ter'angl and the monsters are much tougher. ;)

The cutscenes, acting and voice work are all very good, you seem to be the weakest person in the game, everyone has an agenda, constantly shifting plot and a major twist about halfway through the game.
Released in 1999, the game's plot twist is in league with Bioware's KotOR plot twist, it's that good. :)

http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/wheel-of-time

[Jaz]

Hm, while I enjoyed the game somewhat, it never became a favorite of mine: Wheel of Time remained a 'one-shot', so to say, as I never reinstalled it because it left a 'so-so' impression.
In fact, the only fact I *do* remember about WoT after all these years was that you could see your own underpants when walking over shiny surfaces. If you tried hard enough :).

[Corwin]

What if you weren't wearing any, like certain 'celebrities' I could mention!! :)

[JDR13]

What if you weren't wearing any, like certain 'celebrities' I could mention!! :)


I actually saw the unedited photo on the web.




.........I wish I hadn't :disappointed:

[KasperFauerby]

I loved the Wheel of Time game! Back in 1999 I don't remember the shooters as being very developed yet, and finding a shooter with a decent story, a setting that wasn't sci-fi and a pace that wasn't as frantic as Quake 2 (or was it Quake 3 already?) was rare. I loved Wheel of Time for the same reason I loved a game like Dark Forces 2 - it actually has a story, in contrary to "just" having to shoot hordes of monsters with a rocket laucher. I think games like these caters more to us adventure/rpg fans than the hard-core Quake3 deathmatch players.

[Sorcha Ravenlock]

I played the demo recently, and rather liked it. It reminded me a bit of Heretic... It would probably be impossible to get hold of the game nowadays though.

[Acleacius]

Lol, Jaz.
I am surprised this seems like something you would play, given you like First Person games.

Corwin & JDR13, what is this something recent or someone associated with games, sounds funny. :)

KasperFauerby
Yes, it was great such a big change from most of the dull FP games back then and what a shock not only was it a story in a game but very good.
I am playing through atm and also forgot how good the music was with the medieval style.

Sorcha Ravenlock
Here's a Amazon page with 5 for sale, also see a link on that Moby page for Ebay. :)
It seems worth the $24 price but certainly not the $60+ price, gezz.
In one regard Jaz maybe right since its a First Person style it's pretty liner, maybe read some reviews before you spend $24 unless you like these style games. :)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00001XDKL%3ftag=mobygames%26link_code=xm2%26camp= 2025%26dev-t=D12JEXH87B4VLK

[Sorcha Ravenlock]

ah, cool! I found some on amazon.uk as well :) I am still due several belated birthday presents, I might just ask for one of those.
$60 is too much though, hehe :D

[txa1265]

Corwin & JDR13, what is this something recent or someone associated with games, sounds funny. :)
Britney Spears. Not funny ... but sad.

[Jaz]

What if you weren't wearing any, like certain 'celebrities' I could mention!! :)I'd probably think, 'Look at the nasty crack in this shiny surface.' :p.

It reminded me a bit of HereticPerhaps because both games are set in Fantasy worlds. IMO the feel was completely different. I love Heretic.
Lol, Jaz.
I am surprised this seems like something you would play, given you like First Person games.Well, I bought and played it. Perspective may help, but it isn't everything. Anyway, it's not as if I disliked the WoT game - I certainly didn't. It just didn't urge me to replay it, which pretty much every other game back then did. I can't even tell you why it didn't grip me... I just didn't feel it was outstanding. It didn't spur my imagination like some of the others did. Perhaps it's because I usually love to be thrown into an original (in the sense of 'I have no idea what expects me') game world.

[Rhiow]

Ah, I really liked the Wheel of Time! Splendid music too, medieval folk-like. Great atmosphere. As Jaz said, it's not really outstanding, but when you've read and enjoyed the books, you'll love it. I know I did.

[txa1265]

I'd probably think, 'Look at the nasty crack in this shiny surface.' :p.
I ... just ... really don't know where to go with that one ...

[Rhiow]

Whaaa, here I read about the Wheel of Time, and a couple minutes later I read the headline: "The Wheel of Time Turns for Robert Jordan (http://www.transbuddha.com/content/the-wheel-turns-for-robert-jordan/)."

:(

[Jaz]

I ... just ... really don't know where to go with that one ...Then I guess this certain joke (about a gigolo and his customer) hasn't reached Marlborough yet :mwahaha:.

[Lucky Day]

The FPS WoT isn't well liked (its despised) among Wheel of Time fans because of the liberties it takes with the canon. The biggest and most obvious being that Whitecloaks get to use t'angreals.

I liked the game however.

[Acleacius]

txa1265
"Britney Spears. Not funny ... but sad."
Ahh does this have something to do with the MTV appearance?
I don't really keep up with tabloid stuff, but at visits to News sites like Yahoo I have seen headlines listed.

Lucky Day
"The biggest and most obvious being that Whitecloaks get to use t'angreals"
Someone has been misleading the fans? :S
Only one uses it and was a special exception that was explained in depth and very well in the story, so maybe the fans are upset for a misunderstanding. ;)

Sorcha Ravenlock
Another thing that gave the game a unique replayability was multiplayer team games, basically Wizard Team Wars, maybe the first real time version, iirc atm.

Since the latest patch 333b the single player game has gotten very difficult on even Easy, it does have Save anytime, but there are many unique missions which often involve Defending yourself, others and fortresses on a timer.

It is very necessary to use the environment in these situations an example would be while defending a group of wounded at a fortress being sieged, you would expose an acid pit to force a narrower path of travel only allowing single file progressions, of the 5 or 6 waves of attackers.

[Maylander]

It's got to do with Lohan, Spears and so on running around on a bunch of parties in Hollywood without underwear. They do it frequently, and the tabloids are taking pictures all over the place. It's a new trend among celebrity airheads it seems.

Back on topic. I have never played the game, but I suspect I might be a bit uptset at various lore issues. I know I am dissappointed by pretty much every LotR game I've ever played, and I am a much bigger fan of WoT than LotR. Whitecloaks using angreals? They'd rather toss one into the ocean than use one; they hate anything related to the One Power/Aes Sedai.

[Hindukönig]

I played WoT and thought it to be a pretty lame shooter. The cutscenes were ugly and the story a little bit strange. I thought only some of the levels to be really interesting, in fact, the only architecture I remember is the ruins, second mission or so.
I'd rather play CyberMage again than Wheel of Time.

[Jaz]

Ohhh, CyberMage is one of my all-time favorites, despite the annoying CTD bugs (you could avoid them later on once you got hold of the jet pack... they must have been related to the ground somehow). Thanks for reminding me :).

[xSamhainx]

Wheel of Time was a cool game, I might have to replay it one of these days. Alice is next on my Classics Replay List tho, if I can get it running on XP, that is.

I tend to think that people are piling on Brit's latest vid at the awards show or whatever because it's trendy to do so. I dont think personally that she looks half bad, for shooting out a couple kids. I dont like that kind of music or anything, but I'm watching that video, wondering what is so bad about it. Seriously, it looks like any other pop star dancing around to some lame song. What's the difference?

The crotch shots tho, yeah, those could have been better tho. The C section scar didnt help. And whats up with the lame shave jobs these days, seems pubic hair is verboten now? My last gf pulled that bizness and I hate it. Gimme a landing strip for crissake! Am I goin down on a ten year old or a woman here?

[Acleacius]

Maylander
"It's got to do with Lohan, Spears"
Ahh, heard of them but never paid attention to them.

"I am a much bigger fan of WoT than LotR. Whitecloaks using angreals?"
Yeah, like I said Lucky Day's info is not accurate, only one can and it clearly is an exception, which is a small back story to a remote garrison.
To me often times it's the exceptions that make a most intresting stories, like the lore itself of each LotR and WoT were.

Hindukönig
"I played WoT and thought it to be a pretty lame shooter......"The cutscenes were ugly"
Seriously?
It was using the Unreal engine and released in 1999, which means they started the latest 1997, and looked amazing at the time, even decent, atm.
Sure cloaks are stiff, but hell at that time Nobody had flowing cloaks, iirc.
Could you name any game with better looking cutscenes, in 1999? :)
A shooter?
Why, cause you cast projectiles as a Mage, doesn't every Mage?
How is it different than other Mages are portrayed, beside the differnent canon?

"I'd rather play CyberMage"
Sounds like a good plan, though I am guessing your not playing CyberMage for the cutscenes. ;)

I was thinking of posting a link to a music track, what's a good share site RapidShare?

[Jaz]

Could you name any game with better looking cutscenes, in 1999? :)Final Fantasy XIII PC? But if we're talking about game-engine cutscenes from '99... personally, I preferred Kingpin's cutscenes to those of WoT because I really loved the visual style (and humor) of Kingpin.
IMO WoT had very nice graphics, yes (and thus, cutscenes); thinking about it, the Wheel of Time game reminds me - in hindsight - of DMoMM, from graphics down to gameplay.

[Lucky Day]

Aclesius:
really? I could have sworn YOU could play as a WC and use t'angreals. I think you had to as the whole game was centered around them. I seem to recall the reasoning to be lame but its been years since I played it.

It wasn't like Jordan to allow liberties to be taken. He fought tooth and nail to prevent "paladins" in the WoT PnP game from WotC. It seems they really did want to make it an actual d20 game. He also fought the developers over the MMORPG when it was in production pointing out the stipulation on creative control on the contract. They not only gave in they were going to overhaul before they disappeared into oblivion. Finally, its also noted that RJ liked to send out cease and desist orders to any online RPG that used his characters.

[xSamhainx]

definitely jaz, for it's time it had some really great graphics!

If I keep slating these old games for replay, I'm never going to get around to anything made after 2005!

[Acleacius]

Jaz
"Final Fantasy XIII PC?"
Hehe, did you really mean FF13 came out in 1999. ;)

"personally, I preferred Kingpin's cutscenes"
A very fun game, I guess the cutscenes were very good in a B movie kind of way. :)
I really don't think the quake engine even had voice sync back then.

Lucky Day
"really?"
Yes, I am 100% sure, as I am currently playing the game, a second time in the last week since I post this thread.
The fact that you can't even swing a fist or sword, when you run out of t'angreals (they don't respawn), makes it extremely challenging.

Now you could be thinking of the multiplayer mode where you can choose any skin, but that wouldn't be fair to criticize the single player game over in violating canon.

It seems very well explained and introduced, only the Commander of a remote garrison does this and he is the boss fight only, so you see him for less than a 2 min fight.
You hear his backstory in cutscenes and overheard conversations, it's about a childhood tragedy.

The only other unique WC was the questioner, has a Special Shield Attack (think boomerang) all other WC in the game were Archers or Swordsman, nothing else, nadda. :)

Doing my best not to spoiler it. ;)

[Hindukönig]

Acleacius: Outcast, for example, had way better cutscenes. Not only optical, but also in telling the the story. I also find Thief worth to be mentioned, as the developers just found a simpler, yet more aesthetic style for their FMVs.
Of course, it's just IMHO. I played WoT later than 1999 and WoTs cutscenes just weren't my type.

Problem with CyberMage is, it just doesn't work on WinXP. Hmph.

[Acleacius]

Both very good games, Outcast is certainly the exception in games with use of Voxel engine and not sure I need to load Thief but I seem to remember it being visceral, gritty and stills, than an in game style movie.

You tried it with Dosbox, says it is supported? ;)
http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/comp_list.php?showID=57&letter=c

[Jaz]

Thief is from '98 (I think) so I didn't mention it, but hey, the still-type cutscenes are superb. And I meant FFVIII, of course (another '99 game) :p... time travel is none of my skills (pity).

[Acleacius]

Yes, 1998 and superb. :)
So much so, Thief is my next game after WoT, now that it has come up.
No make that the whole series, cause it's just that good. ;)

[Acleacius]

Jaz, I knew you played an like Heretic and Hexen series.
WoT, just seemed like a similar better looking setting, with a really deep story and characters. :)

Ok, here is a nice tune form WoT.
New to uploading and thought I was putting it on WoT page.
It seems to be on it's own page, so if anyone knows how I can add file to the WoT page at FileFront, let me know, maybe I need to be logged in as a member?

http://files.filefront.com/ForestForTheTreesmp3/;8612798;/fileinfo.html

[Jaz]

WoT was a fun game, true that, but Heretic/Hexen are the No.s 1 on my list of fantasy-themed shooters, and I haven't found a worthy successor yet.

[Acleacius]

Jaz that's true Heretic/Hexen series were games I was weened on, so no way for me to deny there greatness, since I have a major soft spot for them. ;) I truly am mad at Raven turning into id lapdogs and giving up the great fantasy games they created. I remember with Human Head was formed with the ex Ravenites whom wanted to stay in fantasy making a very fun game Rune, that I guess didn't sell well enough, since they went on to make Prey for 3DRealms instead. :(


Here is a list of WoT games for sale, I saw in the more recent thread, Favorite NonRPG game, some were interested but couldn't find it, like Sorcha Ravenlock. :)
Seems to be one available for under $3 usd, if it actually works that's a steal.

http://www.amazon.com/Atari-04-17318-Wheel-of-Time/dp/B00001XDKL