Spoilers

[Acleacius]

This Witcher has so many choices, maybe we could clear up any questions or find solutions.
We could put the Subject written in the open thread for the search engine and with the actual question answer in Spoiler Tags.

I was interested in asking a couple of things in the Outskirts, which confused or I didn't understand, maybe due to cut dialog.

First is Odro's dog.
"Is there a way to find out what he was hiding? I expected to be able to offer him food and I also looked in his doghouse"

Second the Voodoo doll?
"What is the significance of the Voodoo doll? In the English translation I only got the information "the doll looked like Odro" when I sided with Agatha and the only info before that dialog was inspecting the doll in the house."

Thanks. :)

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My Spoiler tags and information disappeared with I submitted the post.

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Got them working.

[KazikluBey]

No idea about Odo's dog.

But the voodoo doll: It suggests there is some truth to what Odo said in his defense, that Abigail used magic to control Odo to kill his brother. I think it's there to let you know that siding with Abigail isn't necessarily "good" either, she probably had a lot to do with the appearance of the Beast.

[txa1265]

I like the idea - that will keep things safe for all!

[magerette]

Odo's dog:
This is a clue to a certain evil deed that Odo has done. AFAIK You don't need to do anything regarding it, as it will come out later at the final Outskirts battle. It's just there to give the impression that something's not right about Mr. Odo, and how he got his wealth. (i.e., what really happened to his brother.)

[Acleacius]

Voodoo doll
I can see how it could be a plot device to help balance out suspicions but I really don't see how she could have had anything to do with it, it was killing innocents and the only thing we know for sure is (well at least in my version from choices) she was willing to cause a some suffering but no evidence she killed, i.e. the man in front of her shack.

Dog
The only thing I got was he most likely killed his brother while he slept, though I don;t know how to tie the dog to it. So a red herring for the moment? :)

Outskirt Peasents
How about after siding with Agatha and killing the Hound and small crowd of mob, I saw death peasants all along the road and Shawni even made a remark about it to Geralt as we headed to the city. Anyone know how they died? Did the Reverend and mob kill them because they didn't support the mob?

This is sort of strange not knowing if, things happened because of choices we made or if we didn't get the correct dialog, which was cut.

[magerette]

Voodoo doll:
Odo accuses Abigail of using the voodoo doll to force him to kill his brother--I thought he was lying. I think the voodoo doll was for the man on her steps who was racked with pain, as that is how voodoo dolls are usually used, not for mind control, thus making her innocent of Odo's accusation, and only guilty of using the v.doll for self defense. But then I always side with my fellow hedgewitches. ;)
Odo's dog:
The dog is barking at the grave of Odo's brother--who instead of dying gloriously in battle as Odo asserts, was instead buried here--after being murdered so Odo could inherit his cash. Just a substantiation of the murder idea, I think.
Peasants:
I got a mob of peasants led by the Rev. that I had to fight after defending Abigail--I don't recall any dead bodies in particular, though they could be fallout from the Beast battle I suppose. But then I lost Shani right after exiting the Inn with her--she just disappeared, so who knows? I'm waiting to see what happens.

I agree the cutscenes here were quite confusing dialogue wise, especially the one with the bandits.

[Prime Junta]

The voodoo doll is supposed to be Odo. That gets figured out in the end of the chapter.

Odo's dog is barking at the patch where the echinops grow. We know from the bestiary that echinops grow on the graves of unavenged murder victims. You get the picture...

[Acleacius]

I must have missed the dialog or book on the plant, will keep a look out. :)

Also, Ozzie (sp) :)
I sure hope we can get back to Outskirts, I left Ozzie in the tomb, cause either I was having bad luck fighting him or he was way too tough. I would get him down, he would eat my brain and get full health. I kept thinking maybe he was a boss for a quest and then Boom, we are in lock down. :(

[Acleacius]

Anyone having trouble with Finders, Keepers?
The guy is not showing back up, I constantly looking for him at all times of the day, iirc, he said he would be there from 12 to 5 during the day or something close.

Thanks. :)

[KazikluBey]

Is that the quest in act 2 where someone wants you to find a family heirloom in a crypt in the sewers? If so, he's there in the early morning.

[Acleacius]

Yes, and I am positive I checked then as well, maybe....

He got killed? I don't know just guessing, since it's been several days at least 2 I have looked for him at all hours of daylight. Yet the quest is still active in the journal., very odd maybe bugged.

[magerette]

I read on the Witcher forums he's there between 5-6 AM only I think. But don't feel bad--he hasn't showed up in the first place for me--so it's quite possible it's bugged or we're both missing something. ;)

[Acleacius]

He was standing there for me when I came out of the sewers, for the first time.

[Acleacius]

magerette, thanks for the tip about the official forums, I guess being a week behind due to my game stopping graphics bug. :)

[magerette]

Just glad you can play. :) There's a lot of info over there at the official site if you can wade through it all.
I do have a spoiler question about Dice Poker
Is it possible to move on to professional level opponents if you only played dice with the dwarf in Act 1? If I have to go back that far and play with Odo and Brogg and so forth I might as well start over.

[Prime Junta]

@magerette, I have no idea. However:


Try to see if Thaler agrees to play you in Act 2. If not, then you're SOL.

[magerette]

Thaler looks upon my dice skills with sneering disdain, however

I have progressed to novice by playing with Carmen, and the gambler at the inn hints there's money to be made in the wealthy sector. Do you still think I'm screwed? I ignored the dialogue line of Zoltan's "Do you ever play for real money" as I was poor at the time; now he doesn't offer that choice anymore.

[Prime Junta]

You might be. Still, Geralt's life is about more than dice poker; I wouldn't bother restarting because of *that*.

(Looks like I missed out on "Ozzie." I just started a new play-through; gotta look harder in the Outskirts, it seems...)

[magerette]

Yes, I figure I'll play it by ear and see what happens. By the time I reach the end, there may be a lot of other things I want to do differently as well.

btw, who is Ozzie?

[Prime Junta]

Not a clue. But I appear to have missed him. :-)

[KazikluBey]

I think that's a named ghoul that appears in the act 1 crypt after you do Mikul's quest there. I think he drops meteorite.

[Wulf]

"Ozzrel" is one *super strong* ghoul (an Alghoul) located in the crypt in far north/east on the outskirts of Vizima map.

You receive the "King Of The Crypt" quest after speaking to the Royal huntman then later returning with the alghouls head (200 orrens)

[magerette]

Thanks, guys. I've done that one-just didn't know his name.

[Prime Junta]

Please spoil me (Act 1):

The Royal Huntsman mentions a monster haunting the lakeside; presumably a trophy quest. Any clues on that? I've haunted both banks of the river for most of one night, and come up with nothing.

[magerette]

I found the creature across the river in front of the mill on the banks--very late at night. Don't know but you might need the entry in the bestiary to get the trophy/maybe the appearence even?

[Prime Junta]

Thanks, I looked again and there it was.

[Acleacius]

Yes, I restarted too, I was about 50% complete with chap 2, but I missed out on several things, this time I am trying to find everything before I close myself off, by completing certain things.

It was especially interesting to see you could get 3 red meteorites before chapt 2 though I wouldn't make the choice for the first one, until I understand more.

It's been hard not understanding the universe nor the implications of certaing comments and equally you don't really know if we English speakers are getting the correct wording anyway, most likely not. :rolleyes:

I really dislike being tricked by developers in dialog options, but in this case it doesn't seem to be the developers at all.

In case anyone was wondering, No you can't change/add the names of your Save games. ;)
Really frustarating, I have to be really careful to keep a Save at the start of each chapter, since they all look alike. :(

[Acleacius]

Confused about chap 1, poker.
The 3 guys your spouse to help, show as Poker players, but they all freak out when I ask about the dice I found and the Reverend , though I was going to do all the Poker at once, so I haven't asked Zoltran about it yet.

Had anyone got to play with them?

[magerette]

You should be okay.
You have to talk to a dwarf-Zoltan is handy- to get the heathen, nasty nonhuman dice ID'd, then you can play with him. I'd play with everybody to be on the safe side, since I think I'm screwed atm and won't get past the novice stage, thusly not making the big money later in the game.

I find that non-name save game thing annoying too--all the little panels look alike, and the times are bunched up because of the constant autosaving.

[Acleacius]

Well I will check it out but on my first attempt I remember them,
not playing dice even though I had spoken to Zoltan, but that's my next stop dice and drinking, as I have found all 3 women in chap 1 and completed everything just before point of no return

wow, that 3 red sword is nice for being chap 1, I cheated a 3rd just to see what it looks like. :biggrin:

I certainly hope the No Save Game Name is removed, makes things very difficult. :(

[elkston]

There is a townswoman ....

at the Inn in the Trade Quarter (Ch. 3) ... who will tell a story for some milk. I tried Goats milk and she refused. I am wondering if she is worth the trouble. What does she reveal? If its a potion or sword grease recipe it might be worth it. (Or even a new monster entry).


P.S. --> I haven't been this into a game since NOTR, but I swear the loading times are still getting on my nerves. I especially hate it when you try to see someone but its the wrong time of day and there is no fireplace or method to sleep in the location you are currently at. So you're forced to go out and wait for the huge loading time for the Trade/Temple quarter, etc...

Its even worse when you need to go between two buildings in the same Quarter. You're still gotta endure that massive load time just to walk a few steps. This is one time when fast travel would have been *REALLY* helpful. They should make so you can warp to certain locations if you have visited them at least once. But then again I could see how that might break certain scripted events.

Aaargh! Can't win either way.

P.S. #2--> I know that a good portion of the delay is the autosave sometimes too! My point is -- its just too long to be away from the game.

[Acleacius]

elkston would you mind using spoiler quotes, when your talking about plot and quest spoilers? :)
You could add them leaving the chap 3 and something that describes your quest or plot point of intrest, that way the Search engine can find it and people looking in the thread won't see that acutal spoiler, thanks. :)

[elkston]

Its a very, very minor spoiler compared to the other stuff that has been revealed. I didn't think it warranted that especially since its already in a thread called "Spoilers".

[KazikluBey]

I sided with the order in my first game and was thinking of going neutral in my next. I expect there's a corresponding elven armorer in the makeshift forge and I suspect there's a neutral one as well, if you've gone with that path. Can anyone confirm this?

[Prime Junta]

@Kaziklu - my first play-through was neutral, and I was never stuck for the resource you're asking about.

[Acleacius]

magerette, you were right I was ok. :)
with Dice, I had missed the second phase dialog with Zoltan.

elkston
Its a very, very minor spoiler compared to the other stuff that has been revealed
Ok, stopped reading when I saw the first bits, thanks. :)
It was a sort of a hyper reaction to being spolied, most recently I was spoiled on the main plot of Bioshock, while I waited for the 2.0 Shader work to complete.

Chap 2, help. I tried looking on the Official forums, but their Search engine seems broken atm.
I kept selecting House, in the Quest and Story section but it kept giving me all sections and 35 pages and none on the first page had that word, doh!
I am now gun shy since the whole damn town was apparently killed off in chap 1 without any real warning. Is it ok to proceed with the Investigation first or should I go to the Swamp first? I haven't spoken to the investigator yet.

Anyone see a list of quests on chap 2, yet?
This is related to the above and was hoping not to get caught off guard. I don't mind choices which lead in one direction or other, but was hoping not to have a repeat of chap 1 problems.
So far, I know of 2 specific time only quests, The Family Ring (guy at Sewer entrance at 5am or 6am) and the Woman at the Graveyard at noon.
Anyone know where the Elf (Half Elf?) woman is for the Haunted House? I think this could be another time specific quest.

Thanks. :)

[KazikluBey]

I don't think you'll have any trouble discerning the end of act 2 ahead of time - and its ending isn't like act 1's, in any case.

[magerette]

Dice Poker Update
I've manage to progress the "quest" in spite of screwing up in act 1, by beating everyone possible in Act 2(the Gambler, the gardener, Carmen and Vaska)--then the dwarf in the Hairy Bear(Munro) will play you, and you can play professional. So all is cool.
On act 2
My take so far in Act 2 is to concentrate on the quests in the city, then hit the swamp a bit at a time, as I've had some trouble with the plant creatures there--first death and reload. I've just ramped up my Igni skills and plan to go back and fireball the bejeezis out of them--any tips beyond the burn approach?

[Acleacius]

magerette, gratz on the cards. :)
Does anyone know whom the 4 professionals are in Chap 2? I got Monroe and Thaler
On act 2.
Blizzard, upgrade sword and sharping 20% on your silver sword? Remember that there is one that's the named Vincent pays for, you need to kill that one first/asap casue it will follow you and make every encounter much tougher.

This really isn't a spoiler since there is no quest associated with this information but does anyone know where Zoltan and Leuvaarden (merchant at Dike) in Chap 2?
If there is a concern you can put the answer in Spoiler tags. :)

I was thinking finishing up the city before I head to the Swamp, hope this isn't a mistake, someone let me know if it's a mistake. I restarted Chap 2, once. :)

[magerette]

Thanks for the tips, Ace. Zoltan walks around the city, mostly. I've also seen him at Vivaldi's house a few times.
Leuvaarden is outside the gates (near the detective's house) on the actual dike near the ferryman. Seigfried will let you out the gate past the guards..
This may not be what you meant, though, since it looks like you've already been to the swamp

[Acleacius]

I had been to the Swamp in a previous run for maybe 30 mins, it will all be new to me, since I am trying to finish the city first, this attempt

Yeah, I mean where they sleep,, thanks. :)

In regards to the Party.
Does the choice of friend have an effect later in the game? I am not really looking for an actual spoiler on the ending, just seems that each choice could.

[Prime Junta]

Dice Poker Update
On act 2

That'll work. Quaff a Tawny Owl and it should be pretty easy. Note though that there's some randomness about where the boss plant pops up, and if it's in the water, you will have a harder time crisping it. But the swamp is definitely dangerous; I lost about an hour's worth of playing there when I was suddenly jumped by a half-dozen drowned dead and couldn't get my swings... swinging.

[Acleacius]

Any reason or benefit to keep....
Ramsmeat alive?

[KazikluBey]

Acleicus: Oh, come on. Stop asking for that kind of spoilers, a large part of the fun is in trying to do what you think is best (or not...) and sometimes getting bitten in the ass for it due to logical consequences you were unable to foresee.

[magerette]

That'll work. Quaff a Tawny Owl and it should be pretty easy. Note though that there's some randomness about where the boss plant pops up, and if it's in the water, you will have a harder time crisping it. But the swamp is definitely dangerous; I lost about an hour's worth of playing there when I was suddenly jumped by a half-dozen drowned dead and couldn't get my swings... swinging.

This has been just a great act(2)--I don't know how it can get better.

After using a few silver talents in Igni, it was almost too easy. Just stood at a distance, powered up and released and it was steamed greens for dinner. Of course, my Geralt is a bit more prone to signs and alchemy than others may be. I've found, logically enough, the swamps seem to be far more dangerous at night. I was mobbed by those nasty blood sausages...er, bludzeigers? around the shrine of meletele, then fifteen or twenty drowned dead AND a plant showed up for the party. By daylight, nothing there but a few drowners.

[Prime Junta]

Acleicus: Oh, come on. Stop asking for that kind of spoilers, a large part of the fun is in trying to do what you think is best (or not...) and sometimes getting bitten in the ass for it due to logical consequences you were unable to foresee.

Hear hear. I for one am not going to answer any of those... at least not until you've finished a play-through.

[Prime Junta]

After using a few silver talents in Igni, it was almost too easy. Just stood at a distance, powered up and released and it was steamed greens for dinner. Of course, my Geralt is a bit more prone to signs and alchemy than others may be. I've found, logically enough, the swamps seem to be far more dangerous at night. I was mobbed by those nasty blood sausages...er, bludzeigers? around the shrine of meletele, then fifteen or twenty drowned dead AND a plant showed up for the party. By daylight, nothing there but a few drowners.

I did the same with only copper talents in Igni, and it was quite easy as well. (Playing on Hard, meaning I level up a lot less, meaning I actually have to put some thought into what I want to upgrade -- I've only gotten about three silver talents at all so far, and I'm almost through Ch2.)

[magerette]

Same here, I had three( my first batch + potion, saved up) and used them all. Hopefully I won't regret it later. BTW, nice user review over at Eurogamer.

[Acleacius]

KazikluBey
Acleicus: Oh, come on. Stop asking for that kind of spoilers
Prime Junta
Hear hear. I for one am not going to answer any of those... at least not until you've finished a play-through.

:lol: , you guys, must be kidding, I have had to replay each chapter due to either poorly implemented dialog translations, bad scripting or broken quests.
And now, I am trying to save myself time because 40% of my playtime is due to loading the damn game that functionally needed 2 more months of work, as if I am not capable if judging whether or what problems I need help, with? :rolleyes:

Well I tell you what, you choose not to help me all you want, but know this if you ever ask for help and I can I will, I wont pull my ego out and try to judge whether I think you deserve the answers are not. :p

[Prime Junta]

Acleacius, it's pretty clear from those comments that The Witcher is not for you. I suggest you uninstall now and go back to NWN or something else that's a little... less complicated.

[magerette]

I don't think there's any need to be *that* elitist about it, Prime J. Acleasius has had some serious technical issues with the game that would have turned most people off completely, and it's obvious he's enjoying it despite the load times and glitches. Why not let him do so?

You certainly don't have to assist in his corruption, of course, and if it gets on your nerve endings too much, there's always the "Ignore" button :p

[Prime Junta]

You're right, magerette; that was (somewhat) uncalled-for. However, I do think that he's asking the wrong questions -- he's not stuck; instead, he's asking about stuff he'll discover himself if he actually sits down and plays the damn thing. This is not something you can rush through; you need to think about it and take your time.

What's more, I think his reply to mine (and kaziklu's) was rather snooty, and I do have a nasty habit of replying in kind.

[KazikluBey]

:lol: , you guys, must be kidding, I have had to replay each chapter due to either poorly implemented dialog translations, bad scripting or broken quests.
And now, I am trying to save myself time because 40% of my playtime is due to loading the damn game that functionally needed 2 more months of work, as if I am not capable if judging whether or what problems I need help, with? :rolleyes:
I'm glad I haven't had any of the troubles you've had and I admire your perseverance but...

Well I tell you what, you choose not to help me all you want, but know this if you ever ask for help and I can I will, I wont pull my ego out and try to judge whether I think you deserve the answers are not. :p
...you're not asking for help that requires divulging of spoilers to resolve but simply want to know what happens ahead of time, so it's not a matter of whether you "deserve" the answer or not but whether I think it's right for me to help spoil the story for someone.

[Acleacius]

Damn, I have to break this up into 2 post, with 11 emotes.

Prime Junta
Acleacius, it's pretty clear from those comments that The Witcher is not for you. I suggest you uninstall now and go back to NWN or something else that's a little... less complicated.
Hehe, yes TW is way to complicated for me. :)

However, I do think that he's asking the wrong questions -- he's not stuck; instead, he's asking about stuff he'll discover himself if he actually sits down and plays the damn thing
Lol, I am speechless, well almost.
Does thou have a clue, about that which thy speakth? :)
How the hell do you know I am not stuck?
Look, no one made you read the spoiler tag or nor to answer, you voice your oppinion and I voiced mine.

I would help and you would not, so what it's just a game, not like it's life & death or some addict asking for a fix, I am certainly not offended, nor should you be. :)
OF course I would know the answer, IF I could get past that point, it's quite obvious anyone capable of posting on a forum could reason this out.

What's more, I think his reply to mine (and kaziklu's) was rather snooty, and I do have a nasty habit of replying in kind.
Lol, let me get this strait, I asked a reasonable question, contained in a Spoiler Tag, you reply won't help and you say "I am snooty".
That doesn't sound the slight bit elitist, too you? :p

magerette
Acleasius has had some serious technical issues with the game that would have turned most people off completely, and it's obvious he's enjoying it despite the load times and glitches
Quite true, it's such a great game, it can really be frustrating to be stuck and not being able to run a game you bought from overseas, because you want to support Indie RPG developers, taking over a week just to get it running for no fault of my own, i.e. driver conflict between ATI and Cd Projekt. :)

[Acleacius]

KazikluBey
I'm glad I haven't had any of the troubles you've had and I admire your perseverance but...
.......? :)

..you're not asking for help that requires divulging of spoilers to resolve but simply want to know what happens ahead of time
Not sure why you say or think you know this info, if you had been having problems, wouldn't you have read forums to seek and ask for answers?
If, so then you might know Ramsmeat is a source of many buggy problems and I will be glad to list some if your asking for help with understanding. :)

so it's not a matter of whether you "deserve" the answer or not but whether I think it's right for me to help spoil the story for someone.
Well, thanks for your consideration for my enjoyment of the story, which I do enjoy, btw. :)
Yet, I am by most accounts an adult, whether it shows or not ( :p ) and I did ask in a Spoiler thread, inside a Spoiler Tag.
This accomplishes at least two things provides a link to issues with Ramsmeat and provides possible solutions for problems of...
Him becoming hostile, even if you have Cleared him and found him Innocent when sent to talk to him.
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Changing back to Spoilers, I am making this more of a hint and being vague, instead of a spoiler for chap 2, as it might interest some to know.........
there is an very obscure item which you receive, which seems it should be sold like any other of it's kind, yet no one will buy it. There is a use for it and it's needed in your inventory. If you can find where it is used it will give you complete control over a potentially, extremely annoying quest.

[Prime Junta]

Damn, I have to break this up into 2 post, with 11 emotes.

Prime Junta

Hehe, yes TW is way to complicated for me. :)

I probably put it the wrong way, but I do get the impression that you may not have the attention span it demands. You can't enjoy play through it while "saving time" -- the whole point is to savor it and discover it, to ponder your choices and be surprised by their consequences. There's rarely even any clear "benefit" to one choice over another -- just different consequences. It's clear from your questions ("Is there a benefit to saving Ramsmeat? Does your choice of companion affect the endgame?" ) that you haven't understood this, and are playing this like you were powergaming in NWN. That won't work.

Lol, I am speechless, well almost.
Does thou have a clue, about that which thy speakth? :)


That would be "dost thou have a clue, whereof thou speakest?"

I speak.
Thou speakest.
He speaketh.

You're welcome.


How the hell do you know I am not stuck?


If you are, your questions aren't about it.


Look, no one made you read the spoiler tag or nor to answer, you voice your oppinion and I voiced mine.

And nobody's making you continue this discussion.


I would help and you would not, so what it's just a game, not like it's life & death or some addict asking for a fix, I am certainly not offended, nor should you be. :)
OF course I would know the answer, IF I could get past that point, it's quite obvious anyone capable of posting on a forum could reason this out.


Acleacius, I would be very happy to help (and, in fact, I have helped you and others on this thread). For example, I helped explain those few things that were puzzling you about Act 1 -- *after* you had played through them. I will continue to do so. However, handing out plot spoilers ahead of time is not helping, and it is my considered opinion that *asking* for them ahead of time is going to degrade your enjoyment of the game. I apologize for the tone I took when expressing that opinion with you, but I don't apologize for expressing it.

Lol, let me get this strait, I asked a reasonable question, contained in a Spoiler Tag, you reply won't help and you say "I am snooty".
That doesn't sound the slight bit elitist, too you? :p


Not exactly. From where I'm at, you asked an UNreasonable question, I didn't help and explained why I thought it was unreasonable, and you accuse me of elitism. *That* was snooty.

[Acleacius]

Prime Junta
It's clear from your questions ("Is there a benefit to saving Ramsmeat? Does your choice of companion affect the endgame?" ) that you haven't understood this, and are playing this like you were powergaming in NWN. That won't work.
Well, sure that maybe a possible thought, yet it isn't true or accurate.
Just because I didn't say "hey I am stuck being forced to kill a guy I just proved innocent, should I just start over due to this bug or what's the downside if I go head and kill him" or wanting a hint about the party because I recognize quest possibilities, due to testing some RPGs, that is savoring choices.
You sound like the guy whom won't ask for directions, while lost, "but honey I am savoring the moment". :)
Also what does NWN have to do with powergaiming, there isn't endless spawning, seems more accurate to say Diablo.
I just asked a question, I didn't know I needed to meet specific criteria. :)
That would be "dost thou have a clue, whereof thou speakest?"
I speak. Thou speakest. He speaketh. You're welcome.
Thanks, though it was meant to be ironic and selfdeprivating, as it wouldn't be nice to joke someone without joking yourself.
If you are, your questions aren't about it.
Really......?
And nobody's making you continue this discussion.
Continue?
Acleacius, I would be very happy to help (and, in fact, I have helped you and others on this thread)
Not only in this thread but you help in many places and many threads, thanks. :)
However, handing out plot spoilers ..........opinion with you, but I don't apologize for expressing it.
I wasn't offended as I mentioned, if you are/were offended then you have my apologizes.
Additionally I don't like games where I am forced to sleep off hours just to do a quest, seems very silly to me, yet it might not bother others who constantly meditate just to pass time, I am in a game to play not pretend to be sleeping.and
this isn't a thread about savoring, unless I worded it wrong.

Sites like GB and GFAQs get 10s of thousands of hits a day, due to having helpful recourses, no one is making me, you or anyone use the Quick Save, Console and Walkthroughs the most important thing is giving people a choice.
Not exactly. From where I'm at, you asked an UNreasonable question, I didn't help and explained why I thought it was unreasonable, and you accuse me of elitism. *That* was snooty.
I recognize you think it's unreasonable, yet you don't seem to realize *you mean* unreasonable for you to ask such a question, surely you can't mean you can determine what's correct for others.
This is about having to restart a long ass game, again and again due to broken quests and bugs, not about your perception of power gaming, not savoring the moment or being too hard. :)
Additionally asking if your statement sounded slightly elitist, is Not accusing you of elitism nor is it snooty, it only examines your statement with your criteria.

Remember when you asked to spoiler the ending on MotB, cause you had problems with your ending and we all offered help without conditions. :)

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Moving on, anyone having trouble with the 2 Ghost quests Chap 2, seem to be bugs?
In regards to Restless Ghost and Ghost House, I see much trouble on the official forums with both.
In Ghost House, the actual dialog/text to meet the Half Elf is wrong in but the journal is correct, also the key has no name while all others keys seem to have names or descriptions. I haven't found nor read of a usage for it and if it disappears at Chap end like things seem to it could be too late.
Restless is like a broken quest, a non aggressive Wraith whom fights with you against Ghouls is somehow evil and needs to be killed?
Yet the wife lies if you solve it by killing him. He speaks *his lost body* *wife is a whore* *it's to cold*, so hard to believe this quest is strait forward. :)

In regards to Zoltan at night.
He leaves the map at 8pm, so you can only bring Carmen or Sigfried on the same night.

[magerette]

Regarding the quests in this game--very few so far seem to be truly broken, though you get a definite lack of clarity about it in the journal and dialogue, so it's easy to think they are when they aren't, so to speak. I've been at several points where I thought I couldn't progress a quest or had a broken one, but miraculously by continuing to play and explore options they were resolved.

It leads to some anxious moments, however. But I would argue, that's part of the tension of any drama, and when they work out, it's very satisfying.

But my point in regard to the discussion of what is a spoiler and what is a plot preview is that, due I think to the convoluted interweaving and branching of quests and the faults of translation and localization, it can often seem that things are out of whack, and that one is in danger of having to make a choice which will require hours of replay to avoid a broken quest. Or that you are forced to make a choice you really didn't want to make because of ignorance of an option. This happened to me last night in the swamp:
in the letter delivery quest--couldn't find Yaevinn to deliver the reply--meditated, waited for him to spawn, but he never showed. Then dialogue with Seigfried seemed to lead to a situation where you might confront him, but no, he wasn't there either, and so I ended up just going with the other option and made a decision I am not terribly thrilled with, which may affect later game developments.However, since I'm planning on a replay, it's all good,
but still--it wouldn't seem unreasonable to want to know if this was a bug, or if there was a way to get to the resolution you really wanted.

Shani's party:

If you want to bring Zoltan, you can ask him during the daytime and it will work.

[KazikluBey]

If you had mentioned that you had a bug with Ramsmeat I might have given you an answer, but from where I was it looked like you were asking for plot spoilers simply because you wanted to navigate through the game with an "optimal" result in mind.

Even knowing you have a bug with him, my only advice is: Do what you like with Ramsmeat, because there's no need to ask for that kind of spoiler. You won't break anything either way unless you're the victim of another bug, but that's not something I can tell you about.

[Acleacius]

magerette, I had that same problem with the letter and chanced asking......
the Druids and they told me of his location which was displayed in the journal with a map pointer.
Additionally you couldn't be more correct about the translations and cut dialog imo, maybe it's because I have tried to do some testing on RPGs or it's just me but I am clearly hypersensitive to quest breakage, progressions and frustration of replaying.

It's one of the reasons I asked for the spoiler about Shanni's party,
I would have been thrilled to find that my invited guest had an effect on the story, what a great idea or it could just be wishful thinking on my part hoping for more depth at every turn.

Thanks for the tip on Zoltan, I did know about the daytime hours, it's just when I am forced to replay large portions of a game, I try to become more efficient when NPC schedules are involved since I dislike sleeping just for the sake of trying to move a quest forward and after seemly...
destroying a whole town, with no indication of what the hell happened .

Shanni's party you can......
See Shanni at 7pm, in her room, run to the gravedigger before he leaves, have the body delivered, start the autopsy started at 10pm and start the party except for Zoltan (my choice) and get your Shanni card.
This all came about out of frustration as the first time before I reached the Ramsment bug, I had started the party not knowing the time and when everyone said Shanni was sleeping lets go, it was 8am and she left for work and I didn't get my card.

KazikluBey, hey it's cool and like I said I am not offended you or Prime Junta. :)
I am normally on official forums, for really good games like this for a month or more, asking and offering help but for some reason I haven't been able to get my conformation email, allowing me to post.
It never occurred to me to list reasons I want a spoiler, nor has it ever been required of me and through my research I knew the bug I had, I just couldn't find out if he was worth keeping alive.
I knew he was valuable.....
dead. :)

Made it to Chap 3, and people are still alive, woo hoo! :)

[Acleacius]

Chap 3 anyone still have the Mysterious Tower quest listed?
Mine says you may now enter the Tower, obviously if I am in Chap 3. :)
So maybe another bug, I just haven't had time to look around yet.
I recall the 9th Stone, from Raymond didn't regester, said I still had 8 even though I could count 9.

Thanks.

[fatBastard()]

So ... have you tried to enter the tower? Try it and see what happens.

[souha13]

Speaking of the tower. Ive some questions as well. Where is the dwarf that has one of the books for Kalksteins quest

Has anyone else experienced that the dryad dissapears? Can't find her where I meet her at the druids

[Prime Junta]

Speaking of the tower. Ive some questions as well. Where is the dwarf that has one of the books for Kalksteins quest

This is one thing that you can solve just by thinking about it and asking the logical person.

However, if you still want to be spoiled...


Vivaldi.


Has anyone else experienced that the dryad dissapears? Can't find her where I meet her

I haven't.

[magerette]

What is up with Thaler? Chapter 2.5
I defended him against the snotty guards, found out about the forgeries, etc, and now all he says is "That a problem?" I'm hoping this is some egregious error of translation. I assume I'll eventually progress this quest further in the normal course of events, but it's looking like I'm almost at the end of the chapter--if this is NOT the case, please spoil me.
Man some lovely cinematics here with the werewolf also. :)

@souha13--my dryad never disappeared.
You need the Lost Boy quest from Vaska to further pursue a relationship with her.

[Acleacius]

fatBastard(), yes it worked , thanks.
It didn't have the normal, now return for your reward and I had played so much and restarted I had for gotten who gave the quest. :)

magerette
What is up with Thaler? Chapter 2.5
You mean chap 3, right?
It is a dialog error or translation problem according to reading on the official forums and........
nothing happens with him at least through the end of chapter 3.

[magerette]

Thanks, Ace--( and yes, it's chapter 3 I meant...sigh.."Old Age is no jest."....)

[Corwin]

Tell me about it!! lol :)