Lack of women

[JemyM]

They had an excuse for the lack of women in Gothic 1, but this is supposed to be the main land... Gothic 2 had quite a few women, but G3 is almost empty. Hope they crawl out in G4, wherever they are hiding.

[HiddenX]

PB said:

Six female character-types have been developed, but they had problems with hair- and dress- modelling - a typical woman problem - I think :-)

So they run out of time and were too late for the story writers and voice-recording.

[Wulf]

Yeah, even Oblivion had plenty of women, but being beaten in the arena by a beautiful blonde female fighter would have been degrading to some big-hero guys.
:rolleyes:

[JemyM]

It's sad that they had to be "cut". A world like Gothic feels a bit empty without women and children.

[Dez]

There are many female rebels and few females slaves too, but there are no important women at all :(. In particular the desert towns just cry women precense. There are lots of empty beds there.. . Seems that women were pulled out during the last phase. I think they should have demanded more time to add them Its quite a crucial feature if you ask me.

Maybe in the next patch or adddon then..

[MonGoliat]

Yeah!

But what about female-orcs? How do orcs breed? do the shamans summon them? Are they spawned? or what?

[Dez]

Well myrtana isn't their homeland. Those orcs have gone in the war and all the female orcs were left behind their homeland. :)

[Acleacius]

Wonder if they did it, since they knew someone would make a Nude Patch. :p

They have done a complete turn around, while they improved in G2, G3 is now like G1 where Women have one Poorly Written, Annoying and Badly Acted Line, "I don't want any trouble" :)

[JemyM]

The woman voice in G3 annoys me. It have some kind of accent, I believe german.

[Maylander]

It was recorded in Hollywood by Americans as far as I know. Just listen to the voice of Saturas - he's the same as Deckard Kain in the Diablo games. :)

And yes, the lack of women is annoying, it really makes it feel slightly less realistic. This is a shame, as the game manages to create a very realistic world in many ways.

[darghan]

there are orc females in the game ... they are just so ugly that most of the time you mistake them by male orcs :)

[Acleacius]

Are you sure its US voice actors?
This is a UK release, we are talking about correct?

[elkston]

The woman voice in G3 annoys me. It have some kind of accent, I believe german.

It sounds sort of eastern-indian or even arabic. I dunno. I kinda like it but they should have had more than just that one voice.

And to answer Acleacius's question: Aspyr handled the voice acting for ALL
the Enlgish versions. So you are going to hear American actors in the English version.

[Maylander]

These voices are used in games by Blizzard and other huge companies, they are as proffesional and American as it gets.

[SirDeity]

Is there at least a whore house like in Gothic 2 where you can get some action? That was really awesome. I'm not being perverted or anything it just really adds to the realism and immersion. I remember always going there to retire for the night before saving and going to sleep. It was a key role-playing element in the game for me. ;)

[Corwin]

If there is, I haven't discovered it in my travels!! Nor have I seen one mentioned in any forum, sorry!!

[Jabberwocky]

Yeah, even Oblivion had plenty of women, but being beaten in the arena by a beautiful blonde female fighter would have been degrading to some big-hero guys.
:rolleyes:

Heck, I must not be one of those big-hero guys then, 'cause as far as I'm concerned a beautiful blonde female fighter can beat me anytime! :wry:

[Maylander]

There is no brothel in Gothic 3.

[Wulf]

Women game characters/npc's in gothic-3 could always be improved upon but i think the love scene in G2 was un-neccessary - in the wrong gaming direction.

[Arexen]

I've seen people smoking cigar-ish things, but theres no smoke for some reason. Perhaps its a graphical error.

[Jabberwocky]

Women game characters/npc's in gothic-3 could always be improved upon but i think the love scene in G2 was un-neccessary - in the wrong gaming direction.

I totally agree. If I remember correctly it was that little detail that gave G2 a mature rating in North America. Not a big deal, but did give me the hassle of showing my ID just to buy the game! I haven't been carded for alcohol in years, and I get carded to buy a stupid PC game?? I just think that whole location/event in the game was unecessary and seemed strained. Uh,.. no pun intended :blush:

[Arexen]

Yeah, if G2 was gonna get an M rating, why not throw in some more blood and guts at least, gosh! :)

[Jabberwocky]

If you want more blood you can always modify the .ini file. It's pretty easy, but I didn't like the results much.

[Wulf]

@Jabber' - They will be wanting a photo-fit ID and fingerprints next! - :rolleyes:
.......................
In theory, the nameless hero could be a female character, why not? many other games have the choice at the install point. Of course to fit in with this "equal-rights" approach would highlight another big problem, namely the whole dialogue/speech pack would need female voice-overs, a big costly item from a developers viewpoint as the gothic series is heavily dialogue dependant, all for the sake of probably a minority (no disrespect to women!) of female players, so we will always have the dominant male hero - if for no other reason than cost.
But, do female gothic gamers like playing as a cool-guy? :D

[txa1265]

Women game characters/npc's in gothic-3 could always be improved upon but i think the love scene in G2 was un-neccessary - in the wrong gaming direction.

I thought it was tastefully done - not gratuitous like in so many other games.

[mudsling3]

Once spoted two in the desert...animation is quite dull...some belly dance would have been perfect. And sneak into the hall of leader of Assasins...guess what? Lions as pet? Where is his harem? I guess PB wants to be PC this time around.

[txa1265]

main female characters are annoying uninteresting and just retarded.
Yeah, like Cate Archer, or playing female in VtM:Bloodlines, or Kult: Heretic Kingdoms, or ... oh, wait, I forgot who we're dealing with here ...

[txa1265]

OK, agreed - enough sniping back and forth.

I hate games that force you to play as female characters. Especially since most of us are male that play games

Actually, the ratio of men to women is starting to equalize - however, in the sorts of games we generally discuss here (RPG) it is largely male dominated, that is true.

My point is that some developers actually do a decent job of writing female leads - but most end up coming off very immature ... so in that regard I agree with you.

[kalniel]

Actually there are more female gamers than male.

I've not got into G3 enough to get a feel for the atmosphere, but there does seem to be a little something lacking compared to previous games - maybe it's the women, but it feels like there's almost space for things to be there but they didn't quite get done.

[txa1265]

Actually there are more female gamers than male.

True, but those stats are wildly skewed by 'casual' gamers ... women playing solitaire and Bejeweled and so on. You really need to look within genres to see what is going on - and how much of an untapped market there still is. Unfortunately, I look at a game like Mage Knight Apocalypse, with scantily clad women everywhere, or Dark Messiah with Xana & Leanna, as examples of immature games made by immature males - and the type of games that drive away women from the genre.

[GothicGothicness]

Another thing cut.... not a big surprise really. Sad.

[curious]

just thought of a problem with women in gothic 3 wouldn't they would be dogmeat either way when a town gets liberated either they fight you and defend their husband or they rebel and get killed by orcs instantly. i realize it doesn't show it but we can assume the women have taken the children and are hiding in imaginary caves or huts that can't be seen or gotten to...maybe they sailed to the southern isles. the only women left behind were made slaves or rebels since the orcs are in charge and being warriors who barely respect male humans i don't see them having any for human females. though i agree there should have been at least a few rangers/rebels that were female. as it is though they allow us not to have make a morality choice to kill a female - something that existed in the other gothic games as well - unless of course your wiped out the thieves guild in gothic 2

[curious]

Speaking of Bloodlines the composer, Rik Schaffer, and sound/voice director for that great game was the voice director for this great game

[txa1265]

Excellent - I love the music / sound / dialogue of Bloodlines ...

[txa1265]

Funny your mentioning of not wanting to play women before ... in RPG's I have three preset characters - male Paladin and male & female Sorceror. In FPS you almost never have a choice. But in Jedi Academy you can play as either - my general choice would be male Jedi, but the male voice was so annoying and Jennifer Hale did such a great job with the female Jedi that I end up playing female whenever I replay it now ...

[curious]

that's one of the main reasons i often wind up playing a female character, more often than not they are just voice acted better. i could bring up a well voiced and scripted male and female game a la "deus ex 2" but i am assuredly one of the few here who has postive emotions toward the game

[curious]

can't say i like anything star wars, but i did finally played both knights of the old republic early this year and was most delighted. 2 well done rpgs even for non stars wars fans like me and i will probably buy neverwinter nights 2 sometime next year solely based on the fact obsidian made it - was really impressed by their first effort and can't wait to see what they can do with an original game

[txa1265]

Those jedi games were boring.

Point != you.

[Jaz]

In FPS you almost never have a choice.Back in the days you had the choice of playing either male or female more often... having FPS games completely dubbed ruined that I think, developers shied from having two sets of voices/different dialogs for male and female characters. Mortal Coil, as buggy and amateurish the game may have been, had two male and two female protagonists (you might have called it tactical shooter - you were able to put someone in command of your team and order the others to do certain tasks). RotT had three male and two female protagonistst to choose from; Quake two had male and female models, and the default character in the first - single-player- Unreal was female (though you could pick other characters if you felt like it - male and female).
While I prefer playing females in 1st person CRPGs and shooters (if given the choice), it's exactly the other way around with my other favorite genre, beat'em ups - I prefer seeing half-naked males punch each other in the face (while hubby always plays girls, but this seems to be a general rule with fighting games).

I haven't played Gothic 3, yet I thought the lack of women in the first game perfectly in order; in Gothic 2, however, I thought it was a pity that there was just one female playing a bigger role, and that only marginally (Cassia). Since G3 is taking place on the mainland and still has no women, it looks as if PB missed a chance.

And I - though I like Star Wars, but was wary of the concept of a SW CRPG - also loved both KotOR games. Had to be said!

[mudsling3]

Sad but true, I got the Gothic Art book from Germany. Near the back there is a pic of PB crew...All males! They need hire some babes in there to spice things up I think.

[Arexen]

lol! I imagine PB has girlfriends and the like, but they're too busy making the game... :)

[txa1265]

If they added women to the development team they would just ruin it sad but true.

Based on what?

[Corwin]

If you ask me, women should also stay away from sexist people like you!!

[Inauro]

I was reluctant to enter into this, i hesitate to call it a debate, and i think Corwin sums up my view as well. Let's just leave your opinions on women out of this. If you want to discuss the lack of female characters in any given game, fine. If you want to make childish statements demonstrating your lack of tolerance, not so fine. Take that to either the off topic forum, or some other site entirely.

[txa1265]

Don't feed the trolls, Corwin ;)

[Corwin]

Ah, it's a slow day!! :biggrin:

[txa1265]

If you ask me, women should also stay away from sexist people like you!!

Ignoring my own advice, I'd venture a guess that they already do ;)

[Corwin]

I think you might be right. What's that expression I like? Ah yes, Get A Life!! :biggrin:

[Jaz]

Next time, just take this sign ;)...
http://www.schuhmacher-net.de/~nicole/avatar/trolls.jpg

[Corwin]

Jaz, could you please tell Mike and I where those wonderful signs can be had!! I'd LOVE to use them!! :biggrin:

[Wulf]

Well Corwin, generally anyone can copy and paste the unique id number which you will find in each image 'properties' (right click)
(edited: removed image, was only to show the ease of posting)

on topic:
I did notice a woman fighter at the farm at Montera, she had a 2-hander sword but havn't yet seen a female fighting although it must be possible?

[txa1265]

Jaz, could you please tell Mike and I where those wonderful signs can be had!! I'd LOVE to use them!! :biggrin:

Just right click and get the image location.

[Jaz]

@Corwin: I painted the sign for my personal use on another forum a few years ago... so there are no copyright issues, feel free to use it. As for how to get it: Mike said it, just right-click and copy.

[Pfandpirat]

on topic:
I did notice a woman fighter at the farm at Montera, she had a 2-hander sword but havn't yet seen a female fighting although it must be possible?

Attack her, I bet she will strike back:D

[Wulf]

@Pfandpirat. re: [Attack her, I bet she will strike back]

I just couldn't do it, i don't have the heart to strike an innocent woman. Maybe this is what the whole issue is really about - - 'not killing' women in games- - i could be wrong.

[Pfandpirat]

Well you asked for an opportunity to see a fighting woman in gothic 3, I don´t see another one.
Perhaps you are right and PB does not want to see fighting women, or perhaps this is just another example of things that didn´t made it in the game due to the time shortage but I could be worng too.

[HiddenX]

It was time shortage - and as a reparation we could demand a special addon:

"The Nameless One On Amazons' Isle"

subtitle:

"An old macho-hero runs for his life" :-)

[Corwin]

Now that could be a very FUN game!! :biggrin:

[Corwin]

When you 'grow up', maybe you'll get lucky and learn!! :)

[Corwin]

I think I want to throw up!!

[Jaz]

[Jessica Rabbit]He makes me laugh.[/Jessica Rabbit]

[Arexen]

Thats funny well not really i'm the only person on this site that could get any girl he wanted too i don't have to pay for them like you 40+ geeks do.

Even if you kinds of people were near me you would tremble in jealously and hate me because you i'm so better looking then you.

But you guys wouldn't understand you really dont know what its like to be liked by girls and to be gorgeous its not easy :|

:uhoh:

Your not serious, right?? Next time throw in a smily face or two to let us know your joking ;)

[Corwin]

Nah, Guru has to be in love with himself, since no-one else possibly could!! :biggrin:

[curious]

kudos to the japanese on their newest 'egobot'- the programming is so real - you'd think the world really did revolve around it

[Corwin]

Hahaha, good one curious, I like your thinking!! :biggrin:

[FAR-ESTERN]

I found one of the g3 womens. Her name is Alia and she ca be found in the first nomad camp you reach in Varant, folowing Riordian. And she's hot.

[Corwin]

Yep, and after you rescue her, and return her, she wants nothing more to do with you!! :)