List of Paladins

[JemyM]

List of paladins, published on gamefaqs.com

1. Wenzel in Cape Dun
2. Javier in Reddock
3. Konrad in Trelis
4. Roland in Okara
5. Olivier in the Monastery
6. Cruz north of Mora Sul
7. Georg in Vengard
8. Cobryn in Vengard
9. Thordir in Venguard
10. Markus in Vengard
11. Karlen south of Nemora
12. ???

If someone can fill in the 12th I would be happy. A suggestion was Kurt, the bandit.

[Maylander]

From what I've read, he is in fact nowhere to be found by anyone. Most likely he's not even in the game. Kurt is hostile and can't be interacted with no matter what you do.

[Corwin]

There is an arena fighter called Paladin, perhaps that's the 12th??!!

[JemyM]

"Paladin" is not a real Paladin. It's just his gladiator name.

[Maylander]

Yes, altho I've always killed him by the time I get the magical chalices so I wouldn't know whether he counts or not. Most likely not.

[curious]

the only thing i can think of is that having the 12th chalice yourself allows you to learn the fighting paladin skill yourself - you are the 12th paladin

[Maylander]

I had the paladin skill in my last innos game, but I'm not sure whether or not I tried to drink it. It's not located under potions though, and I don't know other items in the misc category which can actually be used, but it's worth a try I suppose.

[curious]

you can only hypotheticly drink it, ie when you recieve the skill. in theory it would be nice to have some kind of animation when you learn the skill...so many dreams for piranha bytes to fill

[Corwin]

Kurt is a Paladin, you get a message saying that when you kill him, but I don't think that solves the initial problem/question!! :)

[Acleacius]

Well looking at the list I am guessing he is or was intened to be in Nordmar.
I have not gotten the full story on Lee and I know he wants to kill the King (which he may deserve due to arrogance), however wouldn't your greatest General be a Paladin?

[Maylander]

No, he's a soldier. Paladins and the army were originally two different divisions as far as I know, soldiers as one and paladins in the other. The soldiers are lead by their greatest soldier, the paladin by their greatest paladin. At least I think so.

Right now there is one paladin in Nordmar, and one in Varant, the other 9 are in Myrtana. Where the last one was supposed to be is a mystery to me.

[Acleacius]

Ok looks like it's Frithjof of the Fire Clan and say hello to mister bug. :p

[curious]

sorry Acleacius unless the developers say others i'm sure i'm correct as the world is round. people seriously need to stop wasting so much time thinking who the 12th paladin could be and understand that those rings belonged to an original 12 paladins who are long dead and only a quest where you could give them to 12 undead skeletons would it matter about finding 12. the 12th chalice is needed for the nameless hero to learn the paladin skill...why is everyone forgeting there is no rune magic!

[Acleacius]

Well you didn't really explain it, you just said "the only thing I can think of", now it's "if you doubt me you doubt the world is round" and we are wasting time thiinking casue curious has spoken. ;)

So for us uninformed thinkers, what do you mean we need it to get the Paladin skill, as I haven't seen or heard of this even explained in the few walkthroughs poping up.

Secondly I got this info from WoG virified by a moderator whom says "I see the sound/dialogue files but the conversatation link was left out of the game as a bug"
It's in the English version of the forums, so if you still think the world is flat just type in his name, if your intrested. :)

[curious]

sorry Acleacius i'm not trying to be arrogant now or before, but i without proof a moderator's 'words' are hardly decent proof. there are moderators out there who aren't even in high school. i saw posts but found no proof anywhere. frithjof isn't even wearing the paladin or broken paladin armor if i recall. he's wearing nordmarian armor. just because he is standing in front of a shrine of innos doesn't really mean anything. all of the fire clan are devout worshipers of innos so there is no reason for them to be paladins. look at the alchemist he practiced 'magic' and he was sent away from his camp. the paladins are rhobars paladins and as such would only be in myrtana unless they were stranded or captured. nordmar is not under orc control. the reason the one paladin is in the monastery is i believe he had a fire chalice (which was not his since the chalices are ancient relics) which the fire mages in vengard ordered him to take to the monastery and milten accompanied him and i supposed took it when they got there to research it. sorry but people can and should come up with whatever stories they want to make the game more enjoyable, but i still stand by the belief this is a not broken quest. even a missing sound file does exist it doesn't mean it wasn't just junk that got dropped when they maybe added another paladin, or realized that there would be a loophole if you could give away the 12 chalices and still gain paladin magic yourself. and if they made both options available it would have been hard to explain that to the gamer, 'are you sure you want to give up this chalice'---'ok'---later on-'please teach me the paladin skill'--- 'sorry but you need a chalice for that'---'damn how was i suppose to know?!?'

i'm not trying to insult anyone or take away there fun, and maybe i'm the one seeing the world as flat, but like i said there has been nothing concrete to prove that there should be anything added to this portion of the game.

[Wulf]

I also believe that returning the twelve chalices is something still waiting to be solved

[HiddenX]

The strategy book says:

The 12th Paladin is Frithjof of the Fire Clan !

So I think the chalices quest is

a) bugged and/or
b) not fully implemented (maybe another 'out of time' problem)

[curious]

sorry but the burden of proof always lies with those that think something is wrong. and like i said even if he is or was he is not now and i challenge anyone to 'solve' the problem that i stated above of having a 12th paladin to give it to and still learn the skill yourself!

and strategy guides are hardly official developer material. they can be about as 'factual' as internet material;)

[Maylander]

I can't stand having quest objects that serve no actual purpose. I hope PB implements this Frithjof and his part in this properly, as it still annoys me to see an unused quest item in my inventory, hehe.

[curious]

i have those same feelings Maylander, but really that just shows that this is a 'powergamer crusade' that people are on for that extra xp. without the chalice in your inventory you couldn't feasibly learn the paladin skill its that simple. whether or no both options were originally intended can only be answered by or addressed with a patch by the developers. but since that connection isn't nearly as obvious as that the quest which seems open, the 'mystery' of a 12th paladin has aroused peoples minds. but what is the value of this crusade? even if 'he' is the 12th paladin it adds nothing to the game other than xp. it seems insanely trivial to me for people to be so defensive and obssessed over it. i could understand if there was some story to it but it is simply a 'fed-ex' quest and basically like 'handing out trophies' to a team that has just one a world cup or such. the victory was in getting there and the challenge overcome. at least if people are going to go to such lengths in 'exploring' possibilities they could model it after wulfs approach in trying to unravel the mysteries of meaning and storyline in the game (which 'adds' something to the game other than xp)--of which this 12th paladin has negative zero.

[Wulf]

This is my take/idea on the chalices and at the moment it remains open until proved otherwise.

When putting the twelve chalices on the pedastals and they are then consecrated/blessed or whatever, as you probably know the one on the left nearest to and facing the Innos statue doesn't have a caption as the others have - it's an 'odd-man-out' chalice, it doesn't say "blessed" chalice and therefore the last paladin you offer it to will *not* be able to recieve a "blessed chalice"

Also we know having 11 chalices will not enable the sequence but nothing suggests that *if* having 13, only then will the correct 12 will then be blessed - and one over obviously (maybe even cursed - and why not if it cannot be blessed!)......just a tiny idea and not to be fully dismissed just yet.

[Acleacius]

HiddenX
Thanks thats good to know. :)

curious, I am not trying to be rude but the burden of proof is in your head.
The moderator told you where you could look to see the proof, it's you have decided not to look and continue.

Yet you want/wanted us to believe you, which we are certianlly willing to do, without any proof what so ever, just a feeling (?).
Yes you are correct that he doesn't wear Paladin armor and but that means what exactly are you suggesting someone wearing Nordmar armor can't Become a Paladin if Innos chooses him to replace Cruez (or whatever the Paladin we killed name)?

If your only resolution is PB posting a comment to verifiy this then, you will be waiting a long time, as they would never get the game fixed if they took the time to come on a board everytime a quest was broken, they are a small Developer and thats what fans are for. ;)

Edit
Your also wrong about them being Robar's Paladins, their are Innos's. :)

[curious]

your not being rude Acleacius, i enjoy these discussions. replace a paladin? innos has far more than 12 paladins, the ones you give them to are simply there for quest purposes. and only 3 or 4 of them actually have quests to restore there powers. the rest are simply there to say 'thanks for my powers back' and give you xp and other meaningless rewards. not having another paladin to give it to is so not the point as there are others in vengard who could still accept one. and it is for this amongst a laundry list of other reasons why there doesn't need to be a 12th paladin.

things i am not 100% sure of or remember but need to be addressed
1)is there still a quest left in active quests after the other 11 chalices are handed?
if not then believe there should be something else makes even less sense.
2)does frithof ever say anything about being a paladin? even if he was missing dialogue it would seem intentionally left out if an original story involving powers lost, and the dialogue when you return it. a bug would usually be confined to one of those being ommitted not everything altogether.
3)as i said before why would frithof be 'rockin' his balls' in the fire clan? guarding a statue of innos is not to noble of a duty for a paladin when countless temples of innos have fallen and all resistance is nearing an end. all the other paladins had reasons for where they were and nearly all were in myrtana. cruz was in mora sul because he had a chalice. and olivier was in myrtana but escorted milten(or the other way around) to the fire monastery to solve the mysteries of the chalice.
4)more to come...




they may serve innos but they are under command of rhobar so they are 'his' paladins. just as the paladins on khorinis were lord hagens via the chain of command but still rhobar's and innos's.

i'm not the one waiting and am perfectly happy with how pirahna bytes has made it. i simply am trying to help myself and others understand why. i was heartened to see at least one person on the world of gothic forums who shared this opinion, but even if that were not the case if someone sees things as in harmony and working order they need nothing but if someone finds problems somewhere they can complain all they want 'til their blood sugar gets so low they collapse but satisfication will come to them only when they solve the problem. so it really is 'you' who are the ones who are waiting for the developers to fix what 'you' think is the problem. i'll be delighted if they add any content to the game, i just don't want to see more people infuriated with the wonderful game if and when there is still no '12th paladin' after the final patch:)