Bethesda making Mature Wii game. First pics.

[Damian Mahadevan]

"We are going to make an announcement on a really big Wii game this year, we've got a couple of other things in the pipeline, and it's a format we're really looking at with the right approach," revealed Sean Brennan, managing director for Bethesda in Europe, in an exclusive interview published today.

"I've got consoles at home but I wouldn't sit and play an 18-rated game with my family on the Wii," he said. "Is there space in the Wii market for that? I think there is, but again, it's all about finding out how big that is. Is it 5 per cent? If it's five per cent of the market and you can own that space it's worth doing because you can achieve volume. If you can't own it at five per cent, it's not worth doing, quite frankly," he added.

Brennan said that the company isn't going to announce a dedicated label for the Wii as some of its rivals have, and it isn't about to churn out sugar-sweet titles for the tween market.

"We're not going to establish a new range and call if 'My Girly Game Range' or whatever these other companies are doing, it's so me-too and boring.

"Looking at the opportunities in the Nintendo space is interesting for us because it's more driven by getting the right product for the demographic and also the right quality. We're not going to do a hamster simulator, it's not us. We're not going to produce games for girls or pet-sim products. There's nothing to distinguish them from one another," he said.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/bethesda-next-to-target-mature-wii-market

Hopefully its an rpg.

[Damian Mahadevan]

EDIT: Image was from a psp game.

[Thoth]

We're not going to do a hamster simulator, it's not us. We're not going to produce games for girls or pet-sim products.

GRRR WER TUFF!!! 4 MENZ BY MENZ!

There's nothing to distinguish them from one another

Kind of like Oblivion and Fallout 3. BAM! You know I never miss an opportunity.

[Damian Mahadevan]

GRRR WER TUFF!!! 4 MENZ BY MENZ!

I dont know if you are being sarcastic. But i agree with you. Bethesda should make a mature girl oriented title. An rpg for females with stuff females would like to be more prominent in rpg's for example.



Kind of like Oblivion and Fallout 3. BAM! You know I never miss an opportunity.

If you are talking about the looting and dialogue, I agree, but i disagree with you on everything else about the game. Combat for example and the world is very different from oblivion to fallout.

[Konjad]

Does that "mature" mean violent game? I couldn't think anything else for Bethesda.

[DArtagnan]

As long as his vision of an "adult" game is not something like Oblivion or Fallout 3 - then I guess it could be interesting.

[JDR13]

I'll believe it when I see it.

The Wii has been an incredible disappointment to me as an adult gamer. Nearly 3 years after release, there are still only a handful of quality games not aimed at family\kids.

[Alrik Fassbauer]

I'll believe it when I see it.

The Wii has been an incredible disappointment to me as an adult gamer. Nearly 3 years after release, there are still only a handful of quality games not aimed at family\kids.

To me, this is a plus. I'm thinking to buy a console because of that.

I'm so much tired by all of these "mature" games for the PC that have driven everything else to extinction. There are simply no more "non-mature themed" games on the PC platform, apart from the "casual games" sector.

This makes the Pc platform more & more unattractive for me. I even got from Spellbound the reply that their newest Jump & Run game, the Giana Sisters, is unbelievable to appear on the PC platform for them. On consoles, yes, but not for the PC.

[txa1265]

I find it incredibly ironic that ANYONE who is a fan of FPS or action-RPG would look at the Wii and complain about the sameness of games ... and of course the DS has had the best RPG line-up of perhaps all platforms combined since 2006.

[DArtagnan]

I find it incredibly ironic that ANYONE who is a fan of FPS or action-RPG would look at the Wii and complain about the sameness of games ... and of course the DS has had the best RPG line-up of perhaps all platforms combined since 2006.

Who is complaining about the sameness of games?

[txa1265]

Who is complaining about the sameness of games?

Bethesda, and all those who show disdain for the Wii while salivating over the latest 'Dark & Gritty' (tm) crap-action sameness game.

[Damian Mahadevan]

I find it incredibly ironic that ANYONE who is a fan of FPS or action-RPG would look at the Wii and complain about the sameness of games ... and of course the DS has had the best RPG line-up of perhaps all platforms combined since 2006.

On a side note, Black Sigil is supposedly getting released in the states tommorrow. I've been waiting on that for a while.

[Prime Junta]

I'm so much tired by all of these "mature" games for the PC that have driven everything else to extinction. There are simply no more "non-mature themed" games on the PC platform, apart from the "casual games" sector.

Really? That's not my experience. I mean sure, there have been a raft of Dark! and Gritty! cRPG's coming out lately, but IMO the rest hasn't changed much. Shooters always were on the scary and bloody side (Duke Nukem 3D notwithstanding), adventure games haven't gone anywhere nor gotten particularly "mature" (A Vampyre Story (http://www.vampyrestory-game.com/) anyone?), and then there's the whole industry of sports games and whatnot that I never bother with.

Which non-"mature" games are you fondly recalling anyway?

[DArtagnan]

Bethesda, and all those who show disdain for the Wii while salivating over the latest 'Dark & Gritty' (tm) crap-action sameness game.

Oh, I don't think it's the sameness of the gameplay as much as the target audience. Some of us don't really enjoy family/children oriented games.

That said, I have no problem, personally, because I know what the Wii is about - and would never expect anything for me on that platform.

Dark & Gritty crap games? Like The Witcher?

[JDR13]

Bethesda, and all those who show disdain for the Wii while salivating over the latest 'Dark & Gritty' (tm) crap-action sameness game.


I think you're missing the point. You can get *any* type of game on the PC, all you have to do is look, but at least the choice is there. You don't have that choice with the Wii, or at least it's very limited in that regard.



and of course the DS has had the best RPG line-up of perhaps all platforms combined since 2006.

*Cough* um......ok. Pretty bold statement there, definitely a matter of personal taste.

[Thoth]

I never really got the impression that the Wii would be anything but family friendly. Were there ever promises of some really violent stuff on it? From the commercials, it was always pretty family-oriented which I think is good. Like others have said, I'm pretty tired of all the violence. That doesn't mean I own a Wii or would want one, but I think everyone should be happy knowing there's Xbawkz and PS3, no? Why can't there be one console system that's all family stuff?

One game I think would be cool though, is a House of the Dead game. It just seems like it'd be perfect for that system :biggrin:

[wolfing]

I never really got the impression that the Wii would be anything but family friendly. Were there ever promises of some really violent stuff on it? From the commercials, it was always pretty family-oriented which I think is good. Like others have said, I'm pretty tired of all the violence. That doesn't mean I own a Wii or would want one, but I think everyone should be happy knowing there's Xbawkz and PS3, no? Why can't there be one console system that's all family stuff?

One game I think would be cool though, is a House of the Dead game. It just seems like it'd be perfect for that system :biggrin:

That may have been true in the beginning when game companies thought it would be like the Gamecube, but when there are millions of consoles in people's houses, game publishers obviously want to tap into that, and Nintendo is probably happy to let them (considering they get a nice chunk of each game sold without them lifting a finger)

[Dez]

Nintendo's consoles have always been somewhat more family friendly compared to sega, microsoft or sony.

I think it began with super nintendo. Mortal kombat was the bloodiest and most violent beat 'em up in the 90s. Everyone was talking about it. I remember putting endless coins into the MK machine in local arcade.:) So when it was finally released on sega megadrive I was thrilled obviously. Finally I got to play it as much as I wanted. A friend of mine on the otherhand had a super nintendo. He got the game too. Sadly when playing the game very first time, he couldn't help noticing that something was missing. The developer had cut all the blood from his snes version. Morover the fatalities that made MK famous were much less violent. In the orginal game, Sub Zero rips off the opponent's spinal column. In nintendo's version sub zero only freezes the guy and then smashes him into piecies. I don't remember what they had done to other fatalies but likely something similar :).

Ofcourse this doesn't change the fact that nintendo's consoles are tons of fun and their games are really innovative. Just don't expect to see complex rpgs or any games that are too mature. A friend of mine bought a wii and it has been a total blast during parties. Punch out is perhaps the funniest game I've played in years. I loved the orginal, but they took it in a whole different level with wii. House of the dead overkill, wii sports, mario kart, virtua tennis and pro evolution soccer just to name few have been real hits during parties. Even those ladies who don't normally game loved wii. My opinion is that wii is aimed towards social playing instead of serious single player or multiplayer gaming where you immerse yourself into gameworld and storyline. I would rather get xbox or ps3 if you yearn such on console platform :)

[JDR13]

I never really got the impression that the Wii would be anything but family friendly. Were there ever promises of some really violent stuff on it?


Nobody said anything about really violent stuff. It's more of an issue of variety, and quality games in general.

Another issue I have with the Wii is the way Nintendo has tried to cram their shitty Wii Remote control schemes down our throats. Only about 5% of the Wii games I've seen allow you to choose between the Wiimote or a gamepad. When is Nintendo going to realize that not everyone wants to use the Wiimote all the time?

[Damian Mahadevan]

Only about 5% of the Wii games I've seen allow you to choose between the Wiimote or a gamepad. When is Nintendo going to realize that not everyone wants to use the Wiimote all the time?

Except that it seems like most people actually want to use the wiimote. The success of the wii is almost entirely due to the wiimote.

[JDR13]

Except that it seems like most people actually want to use the wiimote. The success of the wii is almost entirely due to the wiimote.

No, the success of the Wii is, as Dez pointed out above, the demographic that Nintendo has targeted so well. Although I'm sure the motion sensing gimmick certainly hasn't hurt sales. What sucks is that Nintendo insists on forcing people to use the Wiimote, even on games that would be better suited to a gamepad. I'm not sure if it's due to pure laziness, or their refusal to believe that the Wiimote is not always the optimum contoller for every situation.

[Damian Mahadevan]

I think the way of the future is the wiimote, but it needs tweaking. The wiimote + nunchuck has all the functionality needed for games anyway but it needs to stop using the wiimotes and nunchucks motion controls for unnecessary things.

[Dez]

I hope wii isn't the only future. While Wii games are fun, they aren't really my favourite games. Fun in short burts to ease the stress after work maybe or the social playing phenomenon..but above all I love good deep storylines with choises and consequences. Exploring new worlds.never gets old. I hope they don't stop making Rpgs or 1st/3rd person shooters/action-adventures :).

More risens is what we need.

[txa1265]

On a side note, Black Sigil is supposedly getting released in the states tommorrow. I've been waiting on that for a while.
Nope - Black Sigil is a June release now (Amazon keeps bumping my pre-order).
Oh, I don't think it's the sameness of the gameplay as much as the target audience. Some of us don't really enjoy family/children oriented games.
Exactly - and some look at what the X360 and PS3 offer and see a monolithic appeal at least as narrow as what is on the Wii. It is because of anti-Wii, anti-family, anti-populous gaming sentiment that many 'h4rdc0r3' types are blind to that ... it just isn't kewl enough for them.
I think you're missing the point. You can get *any* type of game on the PC, all you have to do is look, but at least the choice is there. You don't have that choice with the Wii, or at least it's very limited in that regard.
Again, in the last 2-3 years?
*Cough* um......ok. Pretty bold statement there, definitely a matter of personal taste.
Name another platform on which the depth and breadth of RPG's released in the last 3 years would have Etrian Odyssey not even hitting the top 20?

[JDR13]

Again, in the last 2-3 years?

Did all other types of games suddenly stop being made for the PC in the last 2-3 years? I'm not sure where you're coming up with that. Are you talking about all genres, or just RPGs?

It's not just about variety though, My issue is mostly with quality. I've owned a Wii since the week it was released, and I think I might have 10 games for it. The quality just isn't there for the vast majority of third-party titles being released, and the Wii has already become known for that (http://gamefunk.net/?p=57).



Name another platform on which the depth and breadth of RPG's released in the last 3 years would have Etrian Odyssey not even hitting the top 20?

I'm not sure why a game with an average review score around 75% not hitting the top 20 would surprise you.

I'm already aware that the DS is great for RPGs.... if anime flavored Jrpgs, and ports/remakes of 15 year old Super Nintendo games is your thing.

[DArtagnan]

Exactly - and some look at what the X360 and PS3 offer and see a monolithic appeal at least as narrow as what is on the Wii. It is because of anti-Wii, anti-family, anti-populous gaming sentiment that many 'h4rdc0r3' types are blind to that ... it just isn't kewl enough for them.

You seem to assume that because some of us don't enjoy family/children oriented games, we automatically like the narrow appeal on the Xbox 360/PS3.

You don't seem to be able to think about this in non-B/W terms.

I would advise you to consider not putting people in tiny boxes, simply to pretend to understand them.

[Rithrandil]

I had a Wii on launch night, and I think the only games I honestly enjoyed on it were Zelda, the RE-related games, and stuff accessible through the virtual console. I understand what demographic they are appealing to, but they need to keep their traditional audience supplied as well. The Wii exists only to dump massive amounts of shovel ware onto it. I'm terrified of what Nintendo doing now becoming 'the future' of gaming. What happened to all of Nintendo's third party developers, by the way?

[zakhal]

Its all about profit maximization. I read from recent gaming mag that triple A titles like zelda sold relatively poorly on wii. They can make more money with junk games.

The paying customers of wii (well those who pay for the games) are not asking for top quality.

[JDR13]

I had a Wii on launch night, and I think the only games I honestly enjoyed on it were Zelda, the RE-related games, and stuff accessible through the virtual console.

Yep, I basically purchased a Wii just for Zelda:TP and Metroid Prime 3. I actually spend more time playing Gamecube games on it. Speaking of RE-related games: where the hell are they? So far all we've gotten is an on-rails gun shooter. Thankfully Capcom is releasing RE5 on the PC.

[DArtagnan]

Yeah, I also got a Wii to play Zelda and it was a decent enough game.

I gave the console to the ex, though, as she gets a lot more out of it than I ever would have.

[Rithrandil]

Yep, I basically purchased a Wii just for Zelda:TP and Metroid Prime 3. I actually spend more time playing Gamecube games on it. Speaking of RE-related games: where the hell are they? So far all we've gotten is an on-rails gun shooter. Thankfully Capcom is releasing RE5 on the PC.
Correction: TWO on-rails gun shooters :-/. When Darkside comes out, at least...

Ahem. The RE-related games are...well, Resident Evil 4 and I guess RE0/1. I know you didn't like the controls for RE4:Wii but they're the closest thing to mouse control I could get on a console. I'm horrible at aiming in shooter-y games with console controllers.

I'm looking forward to RE5 on the PC, even though I have it on the 360.

[Damian Mahadevan]

Zelda TP is the very definition of cookie generic cutter rpg's though. It is a shame that not a single decent rpg is on the wii.

[Rithrandil]

I personally have never viewed the zelda series as RPGs - in my mind I've always looked at them as some sort of action adventure RPG platformer hybrid, which is all well and good, since I enjoy it. It bothers me that the Wii doesn't have any good, traditional RPGs (as far as I know), though. I think it would honestly be a perfect platform for them. It doesn't focus too heavily on graphics (although I do enjoy me some purdy pictures) so you could have games that focus entirely on storyline and gameplay and not have it fail compared to its in-system competition.

[JDR13]

I'm looking forward to RE5 on the PC, even though I have it on the 360.

So what do you think of it? I haven't played it at all yet, I'm purposely avoiding it until the PC release.

[Rithrandil]

So what do you think of it? I haven't played it at all yet, I'm purposely avoiding it until the PC release.

It was fun. I miss the older games, though. RE4/5 didn't have the same sense of urgency for me. It's really easy to get ammo, you have a lot of guns, and so forth. It's in no way shape or form survival horror anymore, I guess. It's a good game, though - if you enjoyed RE4 you will enjoy RE5.

[JDR13]

It was fun. I miss the older games, though. RE4/5 didn't have the same sense of urgency for me. It's really easy to get ammo, you have a lot of guns, and so forth. It's in no way shape or form survival horror anymore, I guess. It's a good game, though - if you enjoyed RE4 you will enjoy RE5.

I enjoyed RE4 a great deal, although I think it would be impossible for me to choose a favorite RE game. Code Veronica & RE4 were the best as far as storyline imho, and Nemesis is definitely my least favorite.

One thing I don't miss about the older games is how your completion time affected your end rating. I always felt that made the games slightly less enjoyable because it encouraged you to rush through them, which I didn't want to do.

[Rithrandil]

I enjoyed RE4 a great deal, although I think it would be impossible for me to choose a favorite RE game. Code Veronica & RE4 were the best as far as storyline imho, and Nemesis is definitely my least favorite.

One thing I don't miss about the older games is how your completion time affected your end rating. I always felt that made the games slightly less enjoyable because it encouraged you to rush through them, which I didn't want to do.

Agreed - CV and RE4 are my favorite storywise, and are tied for 2nd place in terms of my favorite RE game (my favorite is RE2). Nemesis was pretty awful except for the fact that Nemesis actually would randomly appear to beat you up. I remember the first time I came out of the save room in an alleyway and seeing Nemesis standing there. Freaked me out!

I think the completion time thing is BS, too. I got the point where I could speed run through RE2, though - I think my record was something like under an hour for Leon's A game, only getting hit by enemies two or three times.

[txa1265]

So I know I came off didactic, and that is because for entirely too many people the whole 'Wii is for kiddies' mantra is just the tired next iteration of 'consoles are for dumbed down games for short attention span kiddies'.

Yes it is a generalization ... and I apologize for appearing to cast a wide net, not my intention.

I am not a huge Wii fan, surprisingly, despite having one in the house. There is some fun stuff, and my kids love it ... but for me the PC is my home.

That said, over the last couple of years I would rate the release quality as follows: DS, X360, PC, Wii, PS3, PS2, PSP.
I'm not sure why a game with an average review score around 75% not hitting the top 20 would surprise you.
You might want to think twice about pulling review scores ... looking at Etrian Odyssey II in terms of scores would put it as 'better' than The Witcher, Gothic, Jade Empire, Arcanum, King's Bounty and many others that would likely populate a 'best of PC RPG in the last 2000's' list ...

I'm already aware that the DS is great for RPGs.... if anime flavored Jrpgs, and ports/remakes of 15 year old Super Nintendo games is your thing.
And also largely the types of games - adventure, classic RPG's, etc - that no longer find a home on the PC.

You seem to assume that because some of us don't enjoy family/children oriented games, we automatically like the narrow appeal on the Xbox 360/PS3.

I actually wasn't speaking to you guys and should have been more clear about that - this site is full of some of the most thoughtful and mature and open-minded folks I deal with regarding gaming. Not that we always agree, but that is half the fun!

... arrgh ... too much time on a very X360 / PS3 / teen-heavy forum lately ...

[Korplem]

Well, not to beat a dead horse but... I also bought a Wii on release and hardly use it. I kept telling myself that it's a good console, I just need to wait for good games. And, yeah, the good games never came. (Excluding Zelda, Met Prime and my Wii favorite Red Steel)

[Damian Mahadevan]

There are a few good games coming this year and next, such as red steel 2, FF:CC: Crystal Bearers, Monster Hunter 3, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, The conduit, Muramasa the Demon Blade and maybe this bethesda game.

[JDR13]

You might want to think twice about pulling review scores ... looking at Etrian Odyssey II in terms of scores would put it as 'better' than The Witcher, Gothic, Jade Empire, Arcanum, King's Bounty and many others that would likely populate a 'best of PC RPG in the last 2000's' list ....

Yes but I think we're all aware that there's generally a different standard for the way console and PC games are reviewed. You can basically shit in a box and label it "RPG", and many of these console reviewers will still give it 8 out of 10. That's not to say all console RPGs are shit, because there's quite a few I like myself. But don't try to tell me that the Nintendo DS has more quality RPGs than "all other platforms combined" since 2006, unless you're referring to consoles only.



And also largely the types of games - adventure, classic RPG's, etc - that no longer find a home on the PC.

Not to nitpick but.....

"Classic RPGs"? Like what? .....Not to mention there's probably a good reason they're not finding a home on the PC.

[Damian Mahadevan]

Suikoden teirkreis, Dark tower?(too retro for me), Etrian Oddessy 1&2, Mazes of Fate, Chrono Trigger, FF4 are all good games, i would put Suikoden Teirkreis
Mazes of Fate, Chrono Trigger as classics.

[txa1265]

Suikoden teirkreis, Dark tower?(too retro for me), Etrian Oddessy 1&2, Mazes of Fate, Chrono Trigger, FF4 are all good games, i would put Suikoden Teirkreis
Mazes of Fate, Chrono Trigger as classics.

Highlighted the directly PC style games ... and definitely Dark Spire as well.

[txa1265]

Yes but I think we're all aware that there's generally a different standard for the way console and PC games are reviewed. You can basically shit in a box and label it "RPG", and many of these console reviewers will still give it 8 out of 10.

I completely agree in the case of consoles ... but I haven't found that to be the case with the DS. Take again the case of Etrian Odyssey, and Dark Spire, and so many others.

[Rithrandil]

I need to start using my DS more. Oddly enough, I use my PSP all the time - I managed to take all my PS1 CDs and convert them to ISOs, then convert those to PSP-compatible image files and put them on one of my SD Cards. Last year when I was interning in DC I beat Parasite Eve, Suikoden, and Chrono Cross while commuting on the metro.

[JDR13]

Last year when I was interning in DC I beat Parasite Eve, Suikoden, and Chrono Cross while commuting on the metro.

Bought Parasite Eve 1&2 off Ebay last year, I haven't had time to play them yet, although I finished them years ago when they were originally released. I remember liking PE2 a lot more because it had a 'survival horror' feel to it.

I could never make it very far into Chrono Cross for some reason, despite being a fan of it's prequel. I didn't like the combat, and the characters felt uninspired to me, especially when compared to Chrono Trigger.

[Relayer]

Probably a port of Redguard or that Pirate game.

[Rithrandil]

Bought Parasite Eve 1&2 off Ebay last year, I haven't had time to play them yet, although I finished them years ago when they were originally released. I remember liking PE2 a lot more because it had a 'survival horror' feel to it.
I liked PE1 better, personally. PE2 was cool as well but I didn't get very far in it.


I could never make it very far into Chrono Cross for some reason, despite being a fan of it's prequel. I didn't like the combat, and the characters felt uninspired to me, especially when compared to Chrono Trigger.
I remember Chrono Cross's combat being pretty damn easy, and a lot of its characters definitely suffered from "Suikoden Syndrome", but the characters that actually mattered were pretty good, and I actually found its story and plot much better than Trigger.

[txa1265]

As an aside ... I'm starting Jagged Alliance on the DS tonight ... and I sure as heck wouldn';t complain about PS:T ;)

[JDR13]

I remember Chrono Cross's combat being pretty damn easy, and a lot of its characters definitely suffered from "Suikoden Syndrome", but the characters that actually mattered were pretty good, and I actually found its story and plot much better than Trigger.

That's what annoyed me about CC, there were so many joinable NPCs (wasn't there like 50?!) , how did you know which ones mattered? Maybe I'll give it another try someday, but I can't imagine ever liking it as much as Chrono Trigger. They just made the plot overly complicated imo.

[Rithrandil]

As an aside ... I'm starting Jagged Alliance on the DS tonight ... and I sure as heck wouldn';t complain about PS:T ;)

Ho! That's out?! Is it an entirely new game, or remark of 2(which I just started playing...) Can you let me know how it compares?

[Rithrandil]

That's what annoyed me about CC, there were so many joinable NPCs (wasn't there like 50?!) , how did you know which ones mattered? Maybe I'll give it another try someday, but I can't imagine ever liking it as much as Chrono Trigger. They just made the plot overly complicated imo.

Yeah. Well, the main characters of note (other then Serge) are uh...Kid, Harle...and a few others. I basically only used the same 4 or 5 guys the whole game. And yeah, the plot got complicated, but once I managed to figure out what was going on I had a pretty damn good time of it.

[JDR13]

As an aside ... I'm starting Jagged Alliance on the DS tonight ... and I sure as heck wouldn';t complain about PS:T ;)

You lost me with that one. Are you trying to say they're porting PS:T to the DS?!

[txa1265]

Ho! That's out?! Is it an entirely new game, or remark of 2(which I just started playing...) Can you let me know how it compares?

It is a port of the original. Looks and plays great so far.

You lost me with that one. Are you trying to say they're porting PS:T to the DS?!

What I am saying is that having ports of classics that many gamers never experienced before due to console choice, age, or whatever reason isn't a bad thing. ChronoTrigger DS was one of the best games on any platform in 2008 ... even if it is basically an updated port of an old game.

I *wish* they would bring PS:T to the DS ... stuff like Broken Sword and Jagged Alliance is great, but hey ...

[Damian Mahadevan]

Do you guys think Bethesda will reveal their game at E3?

[Konjad]

Do you guys think Bethesda will reveal their game at E3?

You mean Brink (http://brinkthegame.com/)?

[Damian Mahadevan]

Nope their wii game. That game is for ps360.