My Fallout 3 Thoughts...

[ToddMcF2002]

Just finished Fallout 3. To cut to the chase I really liked it. I logged 92 hours, finished 24 quests and visited most of the locations. I could tell I visited and ransacked many quest locations but that's the nature of an open ended free roaming game. Really that's the way it should be. I ended up dropping out of VATS towards the end since ammo management was becoming less critical and well... its fun.

SOME SPOILERS!!!

In no particular order - here are the things I really enjoyed:
1. unique locations encouraging exploration
2. interesting plot with interesting factions. I loved the Enclave.
3. Three Dog announcing my exploits (good and bad)
4. discovering the crashed you know what
5. discovering radio signals
6. being called a mother loving commie by robots
7. the mix of 50's and 40's music
8. blowing shit up at night, creating mushroom clouds out of derelict vehicles!
9. Dogmeat and Hawkes!
10. gratuitous dismemberment, especially after taking the gore perk. Blowing apart bodies with the 44 outside of VATS is legend!
11. the first part of the ending (aka the giant you know what). See #8 regarding blowing shit up!
12. honest dread of Deathclaws and the first time I saw the yao guai
13. ordinance rationing
14. the scaling system we very well balanced
15. atmosphere!!!

In no particular order - things I didnt like:
1. The final ending was both anti-climatic and well.... lame.
2. Molerats
3. extra weapon reload animation sequences
4. Karma system. It should have had real meaning ie. raiders/slavers/talons allow you in while the Citidel / outcasts start shooting on sight.
5. not doing enough with the hunters and regulators

[JemyM]

I suggest you try at least Broken Steel and Point Lookout among the DLC's. Broken Steel fixes the ending and the level cap, Point Lookout is the best one.

[txa1265]

Definitely a fun game ... agree on the DLC - I've played all of them but those two make the most difference. I don't think you can get them for a bargain, though.

[Maylander]

Pretty sure you can work with the slavers and what not if you're evil enough.

[Anderson]

I agree with all your points. I really enjoyed the game; it was one of the best I've played in several years.

Like was said above, if you get Broken Steel, it'll let you play past the mediocre ending and raise the level cap to 30. Good quest, too.

[Konjad]

it was one of the best I've played in several years.

Well, I understand many people have different taste than I but I don't quite get people who like Fallout 3. I mean - this game is totally broken and unplayable in my opinion. That's why I'd like to ask you what did you like in this game and why (and do you play with some huge mods or not?)

[JemyM]

Well, I understand many people have different taste than I but I don't quite get people who like Fallout 3. I mean - this game is totally broken and unplayable in my opinion. That's why I'd like to ask you what did you like in this game and why (and do you play with some huge mods or not?)

"Best game in years"... how many classic RPG titles can you mention from 2006 and beyond?

I say F3 is one of the better in the 2006-2010 era, but that reward doesn't really say much if you look at the competition.

[Konjad]

"Best game in years"… how many classic RPG titles can you mention from 2006 and beyond?

I say F3 is one of the better in the 2006-2010 era, but that reward doesn't really say much if you look at the competition.

Hmm... let's see... I'll take that by 'classic' you mean 'good':
The Witcher, Eschalon Book I, Risen, Dragon Age, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mask of the Betrayer, Mysteries of Westgate.

And more games not necessary good but surely better than FO3 in many aspects are (including action-rpgs and FPS like FO3 is):
Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Divinity II, Storm of Zehir.

There are probably much more but I played just these from 2006-2009. I'd say FO 3 is nothing in comparison to these (even to Mass Effect, which is IMO pretty bad).


Anyway as I said - the game is totally broken and I don't see anything good in it, that's why I want to know what people like in FO3.

[xSamhainx]

Konjad- see extensive list in original post

Big part of the game for me was the exploration of a ruined DC, which it totally delivered on. Loved that.

[Konjad]

Topic maker just said he liked FO3 while JemyM said FO3 is one of the best games recently released.

[Kostaz]

3. Three Dog announcing my exploits (good and bad)6. being called a mother loving commie by robots
7. the mix of 50's and 40's music

In no particular order - things I didnt like:
1. The final ending was both anti-climatic and well…. lame.
2. Molerats
3. extra weapon reload animation sequences
4. Karma system. It should have had real meaning ie. raiders/slavers/talons allow you in while the Citidel / outcasts start shooting on sight.
5. not doing enough with the hunters and regulators
I definitely agree with those points,as for the rest..my opinion of F3 is about the same with most of the old Fallout puritists at NMA.

[JDR13]

Topic maker just said he liked FO3 while JemyM said FO3 is one of the best games recently released.

I can see a lot more than that when I look at the first post.

[Anderson]

Well, I understand many people have different taste than I but I don't quite get people who like Fallout 3. I mean - this game is totally broken and unplayable in my opinion. That's why I'd like to ask you what did you like in this game and why (and do you play with some huge mods or not?)

Todd covered it pretty well. I'd add a few misc things to his list:
- the quality and length of the sidequests
- Liberty Prime's dialog
- the draw distance
- the writing/construction on some of the subquests (e.g., "Oasis")
- the interlude where you were transported into a 50's sitcom landscape
- the last 3 DLC

It's hard to explain why you liked a game, to someone who did not. It's sort of like explaining a joke -- the other person may understand, but he still doesn't laugh.

[JDR13]

It's hard to explain why you liked a game, to someone who did not. It's sort of like explaining a joke — the other person may understand, but he still doesn't laugh.

Exactly. There's some games that are quite popular around here that I don't like at all. For example, I personally never understood the love for KotOR. No big deal though, different strokes for different folks.

[ToddMcF2002]

Todd covered it pretty well. I'd add a few misc things to his list:
….
- the interlude where you were transported into a 50's sitcom landscape

OHHH I forgot about that one! That was brilliant, no question. And I did make Timmy cry lol that little bed wetting bastard. Broke up the marriage too. I was *really* tempted to perform Betty's creative death request but I played the good guy card and errr… executed the Fail Safe which itself was a good puzzle.

Saying that vanilla FO3 is "broken" is patently absurd. That's what I played, and yeah it crashed occasionally but that's about it.

Did anyone visit the Scrapyard and night and just light everything up with massive explosions? Pump up the volume, stand on the train and just fire bullets at everything in a 360 degree arc and watch massive shrapnel storm, lights and mushroom clouds. You can pretty much leave the whole place burning afterwards. Totally brilliant!

[JemyM]

Topic maker just said he liked FO3 while JemyM said FO3 is one of the best games recently released.

It is. If you were around the 90-95 era or the 98-04 era in which awesome RPG's were released in a rate that haven't been reached since, you would know that the recent five years have been a lackluster.

Out of the games you mention I would say only The Witcher and Dragon Age beats the mark. MotB, MoW and SoZ are expansions, meaning they cash in on what's already been sold for those who bought it, putting down very little effort since the engine has already been built. Mentioning JE and ME makes me question your judgement considering each heavily cuts down the RPG experience in attempt to make a Beat Em Up and a Shooter. They were made for a mainstream console market. I really can't come up with a better title to reward "worst mechanics in a mainstream RPG" than ME. FO3 ends up almost oldschool in comparison. I have yet to play Divinity II and Risen, but judging from the opinions I read on RPGWatch and in reviews they aren't classics. Eschalon is an indie game, I am concerned with what the grand companies publish.

So yeah, judging form the competition in the past 5 years, FO3 was among the better RPG's out there. It's most evident flaw is the struggle to make scaling in a free-roaming game enjoyable, meaning you will quickly run into a level cap, no challenge, no need to find better equipment situation. Also it's structure for the main quest is poorly done railroad. Besides that it had atmosphere that few RPG's accomplished and went back to the "each place has it's own story" formula which rewards exploration. Where as most mainstream games cut away the stats, FO3 reintroduce them, but they are barely used.
In the end, you can pour down quite a lot of hours into it and it's experience stick with you when you turn off the screen.

[Konjad]

If you were around the 90-95 era or the 98-04 era in which awesome RPG's were released in a rate that haven't been reached since, you would know that the recent five years have been a lackluster.
I'm playing cRPGs since 1999, and I can say that there was more cRPG games yet it doesn't mean in modern times cRPGs are nearly non-exist. There are still plenty of them.

Mentioning JE and ME makes me question your judgement considering each heavily cuts down the RPG experience in attempt to make a Beat Em Up and a Shooter.
I thought FO3 is a shooter like Mass Effect and action game like Jade Empire. Am I wrong? Most of the time I played it I was shooting at the enemies, and just from time to time I talked to NPCs (but dialogues are so dumb I did nott even want to).

They were made for a mainstream console market.
Exactly. Just as FO3.

Please again read my post, I think you skipped very important part of it:
And more games not necessary good but surely better than FO3 in many aspects are (including action-rpgs and FPS like FO3 is):


Saying that vanilla FO3 is "broken" is patently absurd. That's what I played, and yeah it crashed occasionally but that's about it.
I wasn't talking about technical side of a game. I meant combat, dialogues etc.

[JemyM]

I'm playing cRPGs since 1999, and I can say that there was more cRPG games yet it doesn't mean in modern times cRPGs are nearly non-exist. There are still plenty of them.

Back in those years you were forced to pick titles because there weren't enough time to play em all. The recent five years I have spent gravedigging those years to fill out the empty void between releases. There's only a couple of major titles each year. I even had to begin to buy consoles to fill out time between titles. One could say only one out of five games I play theese days are new. I also have begun playing other genrés.

I thought FO3 is a shooter like Mass Effect and action game like Jade Empire. Am I wrong? Most of the time I played it I was shooting at the enemies, and just from time to time I talked to NPCs (but dialogues are so dumb I did nott even want to).

FO3 is firstperson, but you need a mod to make it into a shooter. Without the mod you are better off relying on VATS. Even if your crosshair is above a target, you will miss if your skill roll fails.
ME and JE do not allow you to pause the game and queue attacks, which you can in games like Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, ME only allow you to queue powers.

You mention the dialog. Wouldn't you agree that ME was a definite step down from previous games from bioware? ME simplified dialogue by removing the multilayered options, streamlined it into left = ask for information, up-right = good, down-right = evil, right = neutral. The black/white take on morality have annoyed me since KOTOR, I prefer real moral choices where there's no obvious good/evil choice.

Exactly. Just as FO3.
Please again read my post, I think you skipped very important part of it:

I cannot agree that FP is a sign of consolification. First FP makes sense in a roleplaying game. It made sense in Ultima I and it made sense in Dungeon Master. You see what your character see, just like in a traditional pen and paper roleplaying game. Second, VATS completely remove the label "action RPG".

Also, I hate to play FP games on consoles.

Now please compare the skill system in ME/JE with FO3. Mechanically, FO3 is simplified compared to FO1/FO2, but it's skill system is more advanced than a game like Oblivion, ME and JE. KOTOR was definitely streamlined for controls, but the depth of the Star Wars d20 mechanics is a rare sight in modern RPG's in general.

[Melcar]

FO3 still sucks though. Frustrating and boring. Can't say I haven't played those type of games before. Vegas will be the same shit all over again; my only hope for it is that they tie in the real FO setting/story, which will make it somewhat enjoyable on a story telling level.

[Thiraury]

I liked F3 for the same reason I liked Morrowind, exploration. They both have an interesting world for me to explore. F3, for me, is pretty much what i hoped Oblivion to be. The Oblivion world just felt bland and uninteresting while Morrowind felt different, new and vast.

As a big fan of the first two fallouts I didn't expect much out of F3 except that the world should prove interesting to explore, and it did, so I'm happy. Hopefully obsidian can improve the writing and gameplay for new vegas.

[Center]

Id like to add sneak attack in VATS with the shotgun., seeing all the pellets was an incredible moment for me

Gore got on my nerves after a while, head shots blowing off peoples legs? I would have liked more splatter from the head alone, not having the head look like it was attacked by a guillotine.

I was disappointed by it, the world felt dull, same colors everywhere (i know, apocalyptic wasteland, what did i expect?) and same enemies killed the same way, but VATS was a brilliantly brilliant idea and i hope ever so much it gets incorporated into other ideas. Getting to que up commands and watch them in a mini-cinematic sequence? incredible. I kept playing just to see stuff get shot again using vats and fall asleep dreaming of games which allow me to watch the entire party run around and shoot people like i told them to with great camera angles.

EDIT: oh yeah, and the shooter aspects blew, but it never occurred to me to look for mods fixing it, the whole oblivion total conversion thing disappointed me.

[Melcar]

VATS = Brilliant ? Never though I would see that outside of your typical Beth. forum cesspool. More like SHITS actually. That "feature" is simply horrible and I hope no one dares implement anything remotely similar.

[Center]

VATS = Brilliant ? Never though I would see that outside of your typical Beth. forum cesspool. More like SHITS actually. That "feature" is simply horrible and I hope no one dares implement anything remotely similar.

*faints*

whats your issue with it?

[JemyM]

VATS made total sense. I am just surprised no one came up with it earlier.

[Melcar]

*faints*

whats your issue with it?

Well, other than it having no real value as a gameplay mechanic and it being purely a gimmick (and an annoying one at that), nothing.

[Coldcall]

I thought Fallout 3 was a pretty good accomplishment considering how hard it is to take a cult franchise like Fallout with huge expectations of fanbase, and transform it into a 3d rpg/shooter while keeping most of the original ambience.

IMO FO3 is a proper RPG/shooter, as opposed to ME2 which is considerably more of a basic level shooter.

I also thought the VATS system was an excellent way to implement the old FO1/2 turn based combat in a modern RPG/shooter.

On the whole i liked FO3 alot, and im getting itchy to have another playthrough with some new mods.

[Coldcall]

Well, other than it having no real value as a gameplay mechanic and it being purely a gimmick (and an annoying one at that), nothing.

A gimmick? Its basically the same system as used in FO1/2, just from a different perspective. So if VATS is a gimmick then so was the combat system in the original Fallouts.

I thought it was a really innovative way to maintain some consistency in game design and style, and it made all the shooting much more interesting for gamers like myself who do like some TB combat.

[Kostaz]

I think there wasn't anything TB in VATS,during my playthrough I never had to calculate the APs while in Fallout 1&2 a singe AP could make the difference.
VATS was more like a built in cheat in the game.

[Felix]

Turn based combat is not god mode, for one.

[Melcar]

A gimmick? Its basically the same system as used in FO1/2, just from a different perspective. So if VATS is a gimmick then so was the combat system in the original Fallouts.

I thought it was a really innovative way to maintain some consistency in game design and style, and it made all the shooting much more interesting for gamers like myself who do like some TB combat.

VATS is not TB.

[Nyapocalypse]

@ Coldcall

"I thought it was a really innovative way to maintain some consistency in game design and style, and it made all the shooting much more interesting for gamers like myself who do like some TB combat."

If you were to like some, like, turn based combaty combat you would totally know a combat system needs to have TURNS before being, say, Turn Based, or did you thought the name was just for, like, show, nya?

Maybe the innovation was, like, in having a Turn-less Turn Based System, nya nya. :rolleyes:

[JDR13]

I thought Fallout 3 was a pretty good accomplishment considering how hard it is to take a cult franchise like Fallout with huge expectations of fanbase, and transform it into a 3d rpg/shooter while keeping most of the original ambience.

This is actually a pretty good summary of FO3.

It's a better game than what a lot of the so-called "hardcore RPG fans" will give it credit for. Of course it has flaws, just like every game does, but it's a fun, immersive experience for people who like to explore sandbox type games.

[Melcar]

Oh, you're so witty Ms. Kitty. Here, I think I have some kitty treats for you.

[Melcar]

If by "what it is" you mean a 'first-person, sandbox RPG' then yes, I do think it's good.


Yeah, it's good for what it is. A piece of shit. Most current mainstream games are like that though, so it's all good.

[Nyapocalypse]

@ JDR13

"If by "what it is" you mean a 'first-person, sandbox RPG' then yes, I do think it's good."

Sandbox RPG? Fallout 3 is as much of a role playing game as Borderlands. And Borderlands is, like, actually fun for what it is. Fallout 3 is no role playing game, is a failure of a first person shooter: Your stats and skills do nothing at all. Your choices do nothing at all. The writing is awful, the game is so stupid they had to retcon themselves out of the corner they wrote themselves into. Amazing game, nya?

Bloody hell, Hard Nova did the sandbox role playing game orders of magnitude better than Fallout 3 did, and we are talking 1990 here, nya. :rolleyes:

@ Melcar

Stop messing with the kitty if you don't want to be, like, scratched.

[JDR13]

@ JDR13
Sandbox RPG? Fallout 3 is as much of a role playing game as Borderlands. And Borderlands is, like, actually fun for what it is. Fallout 3 is no role playing game, is a failure of a first person shooter: Your stats and skills do nothing at all. Your choices do nothing at all. The writing is awful, the game is so stupid they had to retcon themselves out of the corner they wrote themselves into. Amazing game, nya?.


Sure, except that not everyone feels the same way. Not saying that you're not welcome to an opinion, as long as you realize that's all it is. I also found the writing to be pretty bad, and the combat left a lot to be desired as well. I enjoyed the game for the exploration though, not for the writing or the skills.

[Nyapocalypse]

@ JDR13

Like, totally. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, even when that opinion is totally wrong, no matter how you look at it. If the writing is bad and the combat is awful, then what does the exploration gives you? You either find a dungeon with hostiles, cue combat, or a quest, cue writing. So Fallout 3 is good for what it is because the way to get to the awful parts is actually well done and involving? Allow me to not understand, nya.

[JDR13]

Allow me to not understand, nya.


I don't think there's any other choice.

[Nyapocalypse]

@ JDR13

"I don't think there's any other choice."

I'll take it as I really like the game but can't find a reasonable argument as to why, if you don't mind. But remember, kids: Bad taste is not only reasonable, but also comprehensible, and pretty common too so there's nothing to be ashamed of. And nya, too.

[Melvil]

If you like exploration of wastes, Stalker: CoP has turned out to be a good sandbox rpg/shooter hybrid.

[JDR13]

@ JDR13
I'll take it as I really like the game but can't find a reasonable argument as to why, if you don't mind. But remember, kids: Bad taste is not only reasonable, but also comprehensible, and pretty common too so there's nothing to be ashamed of. And nya, too.

Nah, it's just that I'm pretty sure you don't "understand" a lot of things. It's no use trying to explain anything to people who see their opinions as facts.

[Nyapocalypse]

Please, o amazing you, enlighten this feeble minded cat about what part of her opinion isn't fact since, let me see… Fallout 3 skills are totally underused and underdeveloped, combat is awful, and writing is retarded, yes? We actually were in accordance in this. So my opinion that isn't fact is that a game in which all you do is talk to people, kill monsters, and walk around is a bad game when the mechanics are broken, the writing is ugly, and the combat awful?

It totally doesn't compute. Tell me: What makes it a good game? I'm all fluffy, twitching ears. Nya.

[Melcar]

Doesn't matter because the game is still shit. People can like shit. Who am I to tell them how to roll?


It totally doesn't compute. Tell me: What makes it a good game? I'm all fluffy, twitching ears. Nya.

A game with cats. Particularly fluffy ones. I don't like those weird hairless pussies. They freak me out.

[Nyapocalypse]

@ MiniMelcar-Kun

You are starting to sound a lot like Haba, nya. :-/

[JDR13]

It totally doesn't compute. Tell me: What makes it a good game? I'm all fluffy, twitching ears. Nya.

I alread told you what *I* enjoyed about it. I found the sandbox aspects and exploration fun. I know that seems to be impossible for you to comprehend, but try to imagine, for a moment, a world where not everyone has the same exquisite and superior taste as yourself.

[Nyapocalypse]

But we were discussing Fallout 3's virtues as a role playing game, remember? You said it was a good first-person, sandbox RPG ("If by "what it is" you mean a 'first-person, sandbox RPG' then yes, I do think it's good.") while, by your own present description thingie, the only role playing game element it has that does not suck and fail and stuffies is the exploration, and, by your own words, all other role playing game elements on it would be pretty awful. Nya, i say.

And if we are talking only about, like, exploration go play Deus or, like, Robinson's Requiem. They totally anihilate Fallout 3's survival in, and exploration of, a territory that hates your guts elements, you may like them.

[JDR13]

So is this boiling down to your definition of what is or isn't an "RPG"? I couldn't care less about how a game is classified, only whether or not I'm enjoying it. Anyways, I think both of our opinions have been made clear at this point.

[Nyapocalypse]

In this case it isn't my definition of what is a role playing game. Saying that a game that fails at every role playing element other than exploration is a good role playing game is like saying Halo is a role playing game because you play the role of Master Chief. You are free to say you had fun playing Fallout 3, but saying Fallout 3 is a good role playing game when character stats where mostly useless, combat was almost completely independant of character build, and writing, and thus interaction, was awful is a bit of a stretch, don't ya thinky think?

Examplity Example: My test character in Fallout 3 was something like Strenght 2, Percepcion 4, Endurance 2, Charisma 10, Intelligence 8, Agility 2, Luck 10 or some thingie like that. Tagged First Aid, and other two useless thingies. Took that feat that allows you to be a bitch to males, yes? Really, a totally awful character build. Then i bought a laser pistol, went to a raider base, and wiped every single living thingie in there with that character, no loads, no saves, no troubles. Role playing game, you said? Reaaaaaally? When your character is totally unimportant?

Other than that, have fun walking around the wasteland and listening to, like, three dog. I don't care, nya.

[JDR13]

That's nice, except it doesn't change what I said about not caring how a game is classified.

Other than that… I will. :)

[JemyM]

FO3 is shit. Stop telling lies. Even after you forgive the setting rape, as a game it has very little merit. For most next gen kids and players with short memory spans it will be a good game, but for most people that have been around it doesn't even provide minimal levels of enjoyment. It lacks any kind of charm.

So I have been around since the 80'ies too, starting out with games like King's Quest I, Pac Man and Donkey Kong, and I thought F3 was ok. I remember that during the teenage years, many were really anxious about having an identity as an "adult" or "older" or "mature", but once they got older many realized that fun is more important.

[Melcar]

So I have been around since the 80'ies too, starting out with games like King's Quest I, Pac Man and Donkey Kong, and I thought F3 was ok. I remember that during the teenage years, many were really anxious about having an identity as an "adult" or "older" or "mature", but once they got older many realized that fun is more important.

You sold out.

That's nice, except it doesn't change what I said about not caring how a game is classified.

Other than that… I will. :)


FO3 is a generic game that has no genre. It tries to do many things, but its substance is pure gimmicks. It can be fun, but the fact remains that it's a crappy game. It's just another pick up and forget game that deserves no praise whatsoever.

[JemyM]

You sold out.

I do not need to build an identity on being a computer game genre purist, I am happy about the one I got for being me. I am perfectly happy about playing games just for fun and I do play a lot of games.

[Melcar]

I play games for fun too. Games haven't been fun in a while though, mostly because they're shit. It's true.

[JemyM]

I play games for fun too. Games haven't been fun in a while though, mostly because they're shit. It's true.

You are trying too hard.

[Melcar]

I lack enough conviction to try. I just do it.

[JemyM]

I lack enough conviction to try. I just do it.

Train your conviction by beating the game furthest from your interests.

[Melcar]

I'm no game journalist or professional review writer. I don't have an obligation to play games that I don't have interest in. When I see a game that I may like I play it all the way through. If I like it I play it again, and again if I really enjoyed it. If find the game to be shit then I say it's shit. That was the case with FO3. It's just a shitty generic game with no replayability.

[Maylander]

Jemy and JDR - you're just being trolled by Codexers.

A few facts about this thread:
1. Gaming is a matter of taste. As long as you've actually tried most of what's out there, it's up to you to decide what to enjoy.
2. Some people consider their taste superior, not because they have more experience, but simply because they're them. They were born better. Or something.
3. People supporting 1 or 2 are not going to agree. Ever.
4. The topic is dead and will never evolve beyond that basic disagreement.

Personally, I am as experienced as any RPG player, and I enjoyed FO3 quite a lot. It's not going to be on any top list of mine, but then again, I never expected it would be. Still, it's nice to see Bethesda put more Morrowind than Oblivion into their FO games - as far as I'm concerned, there's a vast difference between the two games (I still consider MW a great game, but Oblivion complete rubbish).

[txa1265]

Jemy and JDR - you're just being trolled by Codexers.

Add to what you say that the Codexers seem unable to differentiate a game from their personal political agenda. Commercial success HAS to mean a sell-out. Everything about Bethesda is SHIT - not average or bland or mediocre or flawed, but a pure affront to humanity. Same for Bioware. These guys don't need to actually play games to make pronouncements on their crapitude ...

[GhanBuriGhan]

Well Codex friends, maybe one of your own (http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=176) can explain it better than we can.

[Maylander]

That review actually took quite a bashing over at the Codex, but quite a few also agreed with it. I strongly support the review myself - it describes (fairly accurately) how I feel about FO3: It's a decent game, fun to play, but no more than that.

[JemyM]

Have we became a we and them society now? I like to poke for reactions to see what I get. I am often not half as serious as I come across. Sometimes I just want to see how someone use their reason. I find the above comments to have a grain of truth in it. We have our reasons to choose what we play. Some only play games they like and I do not blame them. I have an investigating mentality that makes me get into odd titles just to see what I get out from it. It happens thus that I finish bad games.

[Maylander]

I don't. I tend to stick to what I'll enjoy (at least somewhat). However, that doesn't mean I consider everything else crap - it's simply my taste that differs from that of others.

That said, I do understand the hatred some have for products that are over hyped. I feel the same way. It is extremely frustrating to hear things like "ooh this is so fantastic! It's brilliant!", but knowing that it's perfectly mediocre.

Example:
- People go "oooh look at the NPCs in Oblivion! They do every-day things like talk to each other and walk around aimlessly".
- The same people bashed Gothic.
…
Helloooo. 2+2. Anyone? Gothic is older than Oblivion (was released around the same time as Morrowind), but had superior atmosphere and NPCs already back then! By all means, if you don't like the controls, say so, but don't call Oblivion a "revolution" in terms of NPC behavior.

So yes, I understand people bashing FO3, because it was, and still is, over hyped. Personally, I'm just a bit more moderate - I consider FO3 quite good, and while I don't like the way people hype them (both Oblivion and FO3) up as if they were the most brilliant thing since Einstein, I am still quite capable of admitting that they do a lot of things right.

[Freeradical]

There was a major crime committed in the making of FO3.

Realized from the progeny of the original Fallouts, the world in FO3 is a Body Magnificent, flush with ambiance and atmosphere. Terrain, history, era, locals - both in-door and out, where created with love and care, and with what seems to me to be a true eye towards honoring the Fallout vision.

And this was the shell with which the devs had treated themselves to for the task of filling it, this Body Magnificent, with stuff... RPG stuff.

And the crime they committed was that they never put a heart into their lovely Body. They never filled this shell with content. They left out the F$%$ing CONTENT!!! How sad. How lame. What a damned waste.... of the wastes.

[Relayer]

I hated Oblivion with so much passion that I had no energy left to hate Oblivion With Guns with.

And I loved Morrowind.

Note to Bethesda: For ES: V PLEASE hire new writers, voice actors, VO directors, quest designers, facial model designers and for Vivec's sake pay Jeremy Soule for more than 15 minutes of music.

[JDR13]

I hated Oblivion with so much passion that I had no energy left to hate Oblivion With Guns with.

Sounds like anti-Bethesda propaganda to me. ;)

I hope you didn't come to that conclusion without actually playing it.

[Relayer]

Sounds like anti-Bethesda propaganda to me. ;)
I hope you didn't come to that conclusion without actually playing it.

You know I'll let Beth have it every chance I get :D

I did give Fallout 3 a chance, admittedly only about 6 or 7 hours but that should be more than enough for one to decide whether a game is one's cup of tea or not.

I will say that in my relatively short playtime I did think it was better than Oblivion, but some of the things that really irked me in Oblivion were present in Fallout 3 as well so I just couldn't continue playing it without frustration and boredom eventually setting in.