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Dhruin March 3rd, 2011 21:52

Two Worlds II - Zero Punctuation Review
 
I'm not a huge fan of Zero Punctuation but for those of you who are, his review of Two Worlds II is up. Do I need to say it gets criticised?
More information.

crpgnut March 3rd, 2011 21:52

Speaking as someone who has not yet finished the game, I'm finding it to be a real treat. The biggest surprise? The outstanding depth in some of the quests. There are some pretty neat choice and consequence parts that are not telegraphed. The spell system is enormous. Combat is fast paced, yet strategic. There are multiple ways of solving many of the quests. You can absolutely get crunched if you don't choose the right types of damage, etc. I'm about 50 hours in over two characters and still haven't left Chapter 1. The beginning island is weak and dull but once you get past "Tutorial Island", the game really opens up and becomes fun.

Beware the Ants!

Elwro March 3rd, 2011 22:03

Just wait till you get to chapter 2, where - imho of course - the game really shines!

crpgnut March 3rd, 2011 22:19

Yay! I may not get there for a long while yet. I'm chronic about restarting games and I'm already getting the itch for my third character. It's a hoot!

TheMadGamer March 3rd, 2011 22:30

Bleh. Those kinds of video reviews are much more about the reviewers showing everyone else how witty and clever they think they are with their words and presentation than they are about whatever it is they are supposed to be reviewing.

Propheet March 3rd, 2011 22:38

Yahtzee's losing his touch IMO, there's WAY more to bash in TW2, and also way more to praise as well. He barely touched the game I think (didn't even find the gear switches… used the hotbar switches only :P)… playing the drums like a Guitar Antihero, sailing that is boring, horses that have large heads, amazing flying corpses… Nope. Wasted potential of a review; ZP is losing its unique edge. You should've seen his early reviews, he's REALLY funny :D

All in all I had much higher hopes on this one, considering the quite intelligent (even though also based on short time with the game) bashing of the Witcher 1. I mean, bashing the game's name is just too easy…

Zloth March 4th, 2011 03:50

I don't know if you could even call it a review - he pretty much always hates everything. I've got to admit, though, he does make me chuckle.

spiraling69 March 4th, 2011 06:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by crpgnut (Post 1061054127)
Speaking as someone who has not yet finished the game, I'm finding it to be a real treat. The biggest surprise? The outstanding depth in some of the quests. There are some pretty neat choice and consequence parts that are not telegraphed. The spell system is enormous. Combat is fast paced, yet strategic. There are multiple ways of solving many of the quests. You can absolutely get crunched if you don't choose the right types of damage, etc. I'm about 50 hours in over two characters and still haven't left Chapter 1. The beginning island is weak and dull but once you get past "Tutorial Island", the game really opens up and becomes fun.

Beware the Ants!

for me it was a big disappointment. I played about 2 hours into the second chapter a few months ago, then stopped and I haven't touched it since. I suppose I let all the negative press it was getting affect me. Not being able to explore the big island was a turn-off. Overall, my interest kind of fizzled.

I even imported the Royal edition from Germany. I'm more impressed with the packaging and its contents than I am with the game. I have the Queen figurine on a stand in my room. I just wish the game wasn't so misleading with certain areas, ect. Maybe I'll take another shot at it someday, but not anytime soon…

crpgnut March 4th, 2011 14:57

I heard a lot of people were bummed about the "lack of content". I can't complain because I've already paid the measly sum of $1/hour for my entertainment. Since I have about 15 unfinished quests and 40 completed, it'd be silly for me to complain about not getting enough bang for my buck.

Reesa is such a little hottie :) I finally got my "reward" from her last night. Woo hoo!

Tragos March 4th, 2011 15:30

I didn't bought it either because of gamer's posts in official forum :

"Enemies don't spawn in areas without a quest"
"Big island is empty"

Also the horrible horse riding in the game play video.

crpgnut March 4th, 2011 16:26

Hmmm, there are plenty of enemies in quest and non-quest areas. I don't know if this was patched in or if the post was misleading. What does happen is that if you visit a quest area before a reason to do so, it may be empty. This is only logical in many cases. I know for sure that you can cleanse a dungeon before getting a quest, which sometimes makes the quest a little anticlimactic. I was with a companion one time and they sent me ahead to clear out some monsters surrounding a teleporter. I had cleansed the area on a previous visit, so I just walked to the teleporter and they praised my vast fighting skills, which they didn't actually witness :)

bkrueger March 4th, 2011 16:30

Regarding RPGs Zero Punctuation are completely clueless.
Their review of one quality RPG (forgot which one, may be The Witcher) showed that they basically don't like anything, which is more complex than a shooter.

BillSeurer March 4th, 2011 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkrueger (Post 1061054306)
Regarding RPGs Zero Punctuation are completely clueless. …etc…

People who say stuff like that are clueless about Zero Punctuation.

bkrueger March 4th, 2011 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillSeurer (Post 1061054309)
People who say stuff like that are clueless about Zero Punctuation.

Seems a little bit ad hominem..
I followed his reviews on other genres for some time and actually liked them. But it was clear, when he started with RPGs, that he simply doesn't like properties, which make RPGs RPGs (which is different from making gererally sarcasitic reviews etc.).
If he doesn't like the genre at all, there is not much sense in reviewing games in that genre. So I stand by my point that he is clueless about RPGs, because he criticises RPGs for having properties of RPGs without realising this fact.

BillSeurer March 4th, 2011 17:18

On the contrary, he has liked some RPGs. He still needles them of course because even the best games have stupid stuff in them.

Proof from his DA:O review:

I haven't mentioned whether Dragon Age is good or not yet, and here's why: because at time of writing—I mean, speaking—I've been playing for twenty-five hours and there's still no end in sight. There are three-day accountancy conventions that don't feel as long as this game, but you know what? I'm actually enjoying it. …

It's easy to mock the straightfaced cliche of it all, but the fact that I can play it for twenty-five hours and still want to know what happens next means that I shouldn't complain …

bkrueger March 4th, 2011 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillSeurer (Post 1061054312)
On the contrary, he has liked some RPGs. He still needles them of course because even the best games have stupid stuff in them.

…in the review I am thinking of, he didn't needle them for the stupid stuff, but for being to complicated (which I and many people on RPGWatch would call: for not being dumbed down enough).
But to each his own…

Edit: With respect to your DA:O example: The cases I have in mind, are older and I didn't bother to follow him after that. Him liking DA:O doesn't prove anything IMHO, because DA:O ist not an example of a complex RPG (except you measure it against the further dumbing down in DA2).

BillSeurer March 4th, 2011 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkrueger (Post 1061054314)
…because DA:O ist not an example of a complex RPG

Oh God… Yeah, whatever.

SAGO March 4th, 2011 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by crpgnut (Post 1061054127)
crpgNUT.

have you hated any crpg?

bkrueger March 4th, 2011 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkrueger (Post 1061054314)
, because DA:O ist not an example of a complex RPG

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillSeurer (Post 1061054317)
Oh God… Yeah, whatever.

OK I admit I went over the top here a little bit..

But as a compensation: Here is a link to a post by DArtagnan, which sums up my feelings about Zero Punctuation's Witcher piece quite nicely.

DeepO March 4th, 2011 17:50

Obnoxious and uninformative "review" as usual.
Still, I take this over many "exclusive" reviews any day.


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