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Dhruin April 30th, 2011 09:45

The Witcher 2 - 12 Splendid Things
 
Alec Meer writes 12 Splendid Things About The Witcher 2 for Rock, Paper, Shotgun:
Quote:

6. Granted this was introduced in the first game, but the dramatically improved writing and acting means it’s more convincingly explored this time around. Elves and dwarves aren’t the charming, friendly chappies of this particular fantasy world – they’re outsiders, looked upon by the governing humans with contempt at best and violent prejudice at worst. Fairly early on in the game, you need to make decisions about whether you sympathise with a group of bitter elves who are essentially terrorists, or side with a human governor who’s working to protect his people but is openly racist in his attitudes. It’s not easy. The elves (and to a lesser extent so far dwarves) are violently angry about their treatment, and righteously so – but that means other lives are placed in danger. This is a morally complex world, with no easy answers.
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JonNik April 30th, 2011 09:46

I am struggling to keep away from previews but the improved writing bit got me to read this
one…

Everything sounds bloody great. If this guy is accurate I'll have to concede GhanBuriGhan his GPE (Gothic Percentage Estimation tm) for TW2 :)

Twotricks April 30th, 2011 11:24

I am also trying not to read anything more. And why ?
Everyone seems to agree its very good. No need to read more ;)

ChienAboyeur April 30th, 2011 12:52

So much hype. Too much overreaching to be credible. Nearing perfection when it comes to the false moral dilemna.

Games at their current state can not approach the burden associated with such decisions. Going in one way or another is a life changer. They are choices that insiduously change the life of people who opt for them. Impossible at the current stage of video games to represent.

So you get that false moral dilemna paradigm, with no/flimsy strings attached to them, inflated in their content as both sides are extremistic in their stance and depending on the moral agenda one supports, the government or its opponents are either black or white, they are not grey. If one thinks that the primary duty of a government is to protect its citizens, then the government is white. If you think that the government first duty is to provide an equal approach through law, then it is black. Works the same for the opponents.

No grays, no nuances, no compromizes. Things are defined as polar opposites and thus easily weighted.

This, of course, if the game works as the report says it works.

Alrik Fassbauer April 30th, 2011 14:59

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Originally Posted by ChienAboyeur (Post 1061066275)
So much hype. Too much overreaching to be credible.

Sounds rather like Dragon Age 2 to me.

Khalus April 30th, 2011 15:14

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Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer (Post 1061066281)
Sounds rather like Dragon Age 2 to me.

Big differences though:

  • Bioware have become quite arrogant and conceded in recent years because of their previous successes, which has unfortunately been waning. Sure their stories and vocals are still fairly good, but their gameplay has gotten horribly dumbed down, little to no adventure and exploration and they just aren't as fun anymore!

  • CD Projekt, while I havn't known of them for long, well about 4-5 years now since the Witcher, and now The Witcher II, at least to me they seem like a young Bioware when their games were great! {heck they even translated many of Bioware's titles into Polish no less!}


Anyway…my thoughts!

Dasale April 30th, 2011 15:41

Remind me what a music critic was writing, proud music stars don't make it anymore, public don't like, they want the stars be kind and sweet with them.

In short, music stars need learn lick feet first, and make a good music is optional now, that's what the public want, and they get it, crap music and good lickers.

rune_74 April 30th, 2011 18:06

NVM, this is just a waste of time.

KapitanUnterhosen April 30th, 2011 18:48

I'm looking forward to TW2 but sycophantic articles like this put me off.

SAGO April 30th, 2011 18:52

gunna wait for sum fools to play this game first.

thats right watchers! do you duty, play this game to see if its shit when it comes out then tell me about it!

not that i trust you though

JonNik April 30th, 2011 19:02

Hmm… So what is this guy's track record that he is met with such distrust by default ?
(Just asking, a bit bored to look it up myself right now). He was a bit enthusiastic but so
are many people that like the first game it seems and get their hands on the preview
versions…

I find it hard to reconcile all this vitriol with the rather nice prior experience I had with TW1.

Or is trolling a new sport around here ? Perhaps people getting back for another round
after all the DA2 flame Wars ? Strange hobby…

Tilean April 30th, 2011 19:28

I posted his review of TW1 in another thread. He basically didn't like it for quite valid reasons.

That he is going bananas over TW2 either means he has no journalistic integrity at all, since he has not addressed a single complaint he had for TW1, or that TW2 is as good as he makes it out to be. I find the latter rather unlikely though, given CDP's track record of unrealistic overhyping of very mundane things.

JonNik April 30th, 2011 19:33

Interesting.

Yes, that sheds a rather different light in his preview even if I disagree with his assessment
of part 1.

Still Like I said in another thread even an incremental refinement of TW1 will be enough for me. I doubt it will make people that hated #1 to love #2 though…

DeepO April 30th, 2011 19:56

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Originally Posted by Tilean (Post 1061066311)
I posted his review of TW1 in another thread. He basically didn't like it for quite valid reasons.

That review is shit.
For example, The Witcher is not "cutscene-bloated nonsense", the only "cutscene-bloated" part is the prologue. Also, leaving my opinion aside, the author obviously didn´t understand how the combat works. His "rapist" example also shows he didn´t pay attention while playing.
I doubt he got further than the first chapter.
I do agree with this though: "I'm sure The Witcher will find a faithful audience, but it's not the best place to go if you're hungry for more Oblivioning."

Anyway, preview articles like this may be good to get some info on what features are in, but when it comes to info on the actual quality of the game, they´re mostly completely worthless as far as I´m concerned.

Tilean April 30th, 2011 20:32

He may not have understood how the combat works, but this doesn't change the fact that it is still by far the worst combat of any action RPG.

He is right on several other important points:
"This action-RPG certainly tries to give the people what they want. But then, so does a pop band formed by the votes of a reality TV show audience."
This is one of my main issues with TW1. There is just too much pandering going on. This is to be expected of a license game of course; however, since Geralt is portrayed very differently than he is in the books, this whole book to game transition seems superfluous.

"[a] charisma-free lead character. "

"Unfortunately, most of these [quests] involving running a very long way to get there, and then a very long way back again afterwards. Running is boring, especially when there's not even a jump button to help you shortcut over the omnipresent tiny fences. "

"[The combat mechanic] feels entirely disconnected from all the heroic chopping, stabbing and pirouetting Albino Viggo is busy doing on-screen."
If you cannot see how this cuts straight to the truth, you are in severe denial.

Motoki April 30th, 2011 21:27

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Originally Posted by Khalus (Post 1061066286)
Big differences though:
  • Bioware have become quite arrogant and conceded in recent years because of their previous successes, which has unfortunately been waning. Sure their stories and vocals are still fairly good, but their gameplay has gotten horribly dumbed down, little to no adventure and exploration and they just aren't as fun anymore!

Actually, in my opinion and that of quite a number of other people I've read comments from even the story was rather weak in DA2. I felt it was disjointed and the acts didn't really connect together very well. There was also almost no change shown for a game that makes a big point to cover such a long span of time. In most cases the choices lead to the same outcome and it was really more of a choice of how your character would react than a choice that causes any real change of outcome.

The voice acting was also hammy in spots, to the point where people have poked fun at some of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37eiBVOWtFM

As for all the positive reviews of TW2, well let's wait and see. Maybe it's hype maybe it's not, maybe it's a little bit of both. I think it's a little premature to conclude the reviewers are all full of it and the game will be a let down seeing as it hasn't even been released and there's not a large amount of regular player comments to gauge from.

I will say that DA2 set the bar for a high profile RPG release really low so in light of that I can't imagine TW2 won't look good. The proof is in the actual gameplay though and no doubt we will have plenty of opinions to read in the coming weeks.

sakichop April 30th, 2011 21:40

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Originally Posted by Tilean (Post 1061066317)
He may not have understood how the combat works, but this doesn't change the fact that it is still by far the worst combat of any action RPG.

Why do people insist on posting their opinions as facts. I don't think the witcher was perfect by any means.

Imo though, diablo 1&2, oblivion, gothic 3 (pre-ee patch), dungeon siege and fable had worse combat. Just off the top of my head i'm sure there's more.

I will agree about the endless running around and being able to jump fences would have been nice.

As for tw2 i'm sure it will be in between the glowing reviews and the people who swear it will be s*** before ever playing it.

DoctorNarrative April 30th, 2011 23:13

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Originally Posted by sakichop (Post 1061066321)
Why do people insist on posting their opinions as facts.

I usually defend these things, "of course it's my opinion I wrote it," but he really did present that way too much as a fact.

I liked The Witcher's combat. I consider it to be much better than many other action RPG games' combat, for example Divinity 2 or any Diablo style game. That's my opinion and it's as valid as any other.

And yeah, Alec Meer really missed the point of the original in quite a lot of ways. Some of his complaints are valid and I do think The Witcher was very flawed, but Meer has a political agenda when it comes to the women in the game and he also seems to be on a quest to knock the game for not being as streamlined as Oblivion, which arguably is a benefit and not a negative. His preview is thus kind of odd, but since every preview speaks highly of the game I'm not stressing it too much.

JDR13 May 1st, 2011 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tilean (Post 1061066311)
given CDP's track record of unrealistic overhyping of very mundane things.

What track record is that? Care to give some examples?

While you're at it, how about making some more blatantly false statements? ;)

aries100 May 1st, 2011 00:51

I'm currently playing Witcher 1, (yes, I'm that slow) and I'm enjoying it. Especially since the game really opens up after chapter 3; getting into chapter 4 really opened up Witcher 1's greatness for me. After reading the manual (yes, I know, I know), I'm getting to figure out the combat.

In the first Witcher, there was choices and there was consequence, if you sided with the elves, the games would play out differently than if we you sided with the Order, the game would play out differently. And in certain quests, you have at least 2 or 3 (or more) ways to complete them. The only other game I've seen do this - is Dragon Age: Origins. The cutscenes in Witcher 1 matters, not least as a way to tell the story, to further the story along…

I also like the idea, the concept of having quests spanning over three-four chapters. As far as I can DA2 tries to do the same, but does not come close to Witcher 1's fine design and execution of this design.


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