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Dhruin October 11th, 2011 23:59

Skyrim - The RPG for the Rest of Us @ IGN
 
I'm just going to play this IGN article with a straight bat. The intro from IGN's Skyrim: The RPG for the Rest of US.
Quote:

Quasi-Medieval fantasy leaves me cold. When I trouble myself to read George R.R. Martin, my eyes roll at his absurd olde worlde lingo. I've never been tempted, not for one second, to actually play World of Warcraft. There are very few people in the world less qualified than me to write about RPGs.
All that leveling up, those tiresome stats, all those dreary fantasy tropes, the endless tinkering with skills and items. Yawn!
Like millions of others, the game I'll play more than any other this year is The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. The only reason this is worth mentioning is because I really, really don't like RPGs.
More information.

CelticFrost October 11th, 2011 23:59

I read about 2 seconds of this….why do morons think anyone cares about them

Thrasher October 12th, 2011 00:01

All I could think was, why doesn't this guy play the Sims?

But then I realized his lead in about skills being boring was total BS when he talked about how cool it was to level up his perks. Fake journalism detected. ;)

jhwisner October 12th, 2011 00:10

So basically the appeal of Skyrim for the author is that its an open-world/sandbox RPG rather than another more-linear form. Basically the freedom he might have enjoyed from GTA without having to do all the boring chores (in IV you literally had to do chores) before the world really opens up.

I'm not sure how to judge his argument on accessibility - the perk trees along with the elder scrolls leveling-by-use system means that being what you want to be is actually a more involved process than it is in many games. You can't just put points into a particular build or path, you actually have to actively peruse the skills you want to increase which, compared to some games with RPG elements, is actually a bit more demanding.

But yeah it does seem a bit too many words for what he's actually saying - though I guess I of all people have no right to criticize on that basis.

Kefka October 12th, 2011 01:39

I am so interested in Skyrim because it the closet thing to the holodeck out there, that is what I want. I want the holodeck and to go explore a fantasy world in it.

Corwin October 12th, 2011 01:43

Having played every ES game ever made, this paragraph nearly made me choke:

"I know there is something odd about Bethesda's 'people' behavior models - the distinctive turning of the head, the creepy gaze - but no-one really does this stuff better. The hours I'll spend just bothering people in the street is actually pretty scary. And in Elder Scrolls, it really matters how you treat people, not just in the way the game pans out, but in how you feel about your character and yourself. If a book makes me feel that way, I count it as great. In a game, it's a real achievement. "

Ragnaris October 12th, 2011 01:52

I usually avoid these types of articles. They tend to praise a game, then later down the road, jump on the bandwagon and start pointing out its flaws only when a sequel is announced. They can't (or won't?) dissuade people from purchasing the game (perhaps they're being paid not to, in fear that if they give their honest opinion, they'd lose common visitors due to disagreements) until a sequel is announced. Essentially, its approving everything about "X title" to keep their readers happy.

But then, that may be part of their reviewing process.

CelticFrost October 12th, 2011 02:16

I like i stated, I only read a second of this. Why send out a moronic fool to review something they not even have a clue about but don't even like.

darkling October 12th, 2011 02:38

Dumb article is dumb.

"I hate RPG tropes! OMG DRAGONS SO PRETTY"

Shagnak October 12th, 2011 02:44

Martin uses "absurd olde worlde lingo"? Huh.

rune_74 October 12th, 2011 02:55

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Originally Posted by Shagnak (Post 1061097718)
Martin uses "absurd olde worlde lingo"? Huh.

I was thinking the same thing, matter of fact I'm reading the current novel and there is nothing of the sort.

DoctorNarrative October 12th, 2011 05:58

Playing it for exploration and combat only, not expecting much else. If it ends up being a good RPG or having a good story it's like a bonus.

Ball_Breaker October 12th, 2011 08:14

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Originally Posted by rune_74 (Post 1061097721)
I was thinking the same thing, matter of fact I'm reading the current novel and there is nothing of the sort.

+1. Most probably the guy hasn't ever read seriously a Martin book (too bad for him).

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoctorNarrative (Post 1061097749)
Playing it for exploration and combat only, not expecting much else. If it ends up being a good RPG or having a good story it's like a bonus.

+1 again. I'll do the same, just like I did with Morrowind and Oblivion (altough I still think that Morrowind's plot isn't so bad, even if it's a bit generic). And I can add, apart of story and 'rpg' features, user mods: it's a sort of meta-game indeed.

skavenhorde October 12th, 2011 08:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shagnak (Post 1061097718)
Martin uses "absurd olde worlde lingo"? Huh.

Methinks thou naive was pondering Two Worlds…..either that or the writer is a moron.

I'm going with moron.

Menigal October 12th, 2011 08:51

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Originally Posted by skavenhorde (Post 1061097792)
Methinks thou naive was pondering Two Worlds…..either that or the writer is a moron.

I'm going with moron.

Just a quick skim of the article seems to support this theory. It amazes me how many "gaming" journalists there are like this, who clearly haven't got any background, or interest, in what they're talking about. Surely there's no shortage of people who do!

holeraw October 12th, 2011 09:34

An RPG 'for the rest of us' would be great if not every major RPG being released wasn't 'for the rest of us'. I wish 'the rest of us' would play the games they like, that don't include any absurd olde worlde lingo, tiresome stats, dreary fantasy tropes, endless tinkering with skills and items, and leave the rest of them to 'not the rest of us'.

DoctorNarrative October 12th, 2011 09:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ball_Breaker (Post 1061097788)
+1 again. I'll do the same, just like I did with Morrowind and Oblivion (altough I still think that Morrowind's plot isn't so bad, even if it's a bit generic). And I can add, apart of story and 'rpg' features, user mods: it's a sort of meta-game indeed.

Morrowind had really good back story and world lore I thought. The stuff with living gods and the disappearance of the dwarves, plus all the daedra lore. Good stuff there. The actual plotline was pretty thin though.

Oblivion, in my personal opinion, was pretty weak all around story-wise.

Kostas October 12th, 2011 11:13

Amazing how a single article can demote a game from my "have to try" list to "not sure if this is for me"..
On the other hand it's been a while since I last saw the latest Skyrim screenshots and those vistas look absolutely amazing. If the engine is really capable of pulling off such open world beauty off the modding community or another developer (like with FN:V) should give it a try in creating a proper cRPG.

jhwisner October 12th, 2011 11:23

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Originally Posted by Kostaz (Post 1061097814)
Amazing how a single article can demote a game from my "have to try" list to "not sure if this is for me"..
On the other hand it's been a while since I last saw the latest Skyrim screenshots and those vistas look absolutely amazing. If the engine is really capable of pulling off such open world beauty off the modding community or another developer (like with FN:V) should give it a try in creating a proper cRPG.

Well there's about 13-14 posts here basically pointing out that the author appears to be talking out of the wrong orifice - and not just about this game, bethesda games, or even games in general. I wouldn't let this article sway you one way or another really.

Its been mentioned by more than one person already - but there is a good argument for avoiding these sorts of vapid pre-reviews. That is certainly not criticism for it being listed in the watch's news feed though. These sorts of articles, despite containing no new information, are quite relevant - though more so with regard to the discussion of the general quality of video game journalism and the effect that content mills like IGN can have on it.

blackcanopus October 12th, 2011 12:14

Quote:

When I trouble myself to read George R.R. Martin, my eyes roll at his absurd olde worlde lingo.
The guy is not able to distinguish RPGs from fantasy novels. Great.


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