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JemyM December 2nd, 2011 10:43

Perhaps its time to stop covering Bioware
 
There's obiously a market for cRPG's that haven't disappeared. What exactly captures the spirit of cRPG's is difficult to pinpoint but I believe one of it's strengths are the diversity. cRPG's cater to many minds, the minmaxer, the grinder, the socializer, the stretegic mind, the puzzlesolver and the creative. These mindsets do not cease to exist due to market trends. They did not cease to exist when DOOM got popular.

Bioware are not a contender in the evolution of the cRPG market. They aren't a prophet for the new direction the cRPG's need to take. They aren't a voice in what's hot and what's not. They simply cater to a different mindset now with a different direction that is separated the future of cRPG's.

I believe it's time for RPGWatch and other RPG-community websites to accept that this is the case and stop covering them unless it's strictly RPG-related (which doesn't include Biowares recent opinions about why RPG's are no longer their direction).

Let them go.

skavenhorde December 2nd, 2011 10:47

Seriously? You started a thread about this? Are you bored?

You know as well as I do that if the game is RPG related then it might be covered. Might being the keyword in that sentence. For example: We covered Bioshock thoroughly and some Bioshock 2, but how much Bioshock 3 coverage do you see?

If it's popular with the people here then you'll probably see more coverage, but if it's "meh" like Bioshock has become then maybe a newsbit once in a blue moon.

fatBastard() December 2nd, 2011 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by JemyM (Post 1061109750)
Bioware are not a contender in the evolution of the cRPG market. They aren't a prophet for the new direction the cRPG's need to take. They aren't a voice in what's hot and what's not. They simply cater to a different mindset now with a different direction that is separated the future of cRPG's.

Wait what?!? O_O

Who put you in charge of what "future of the cRPG" is supposed to be? ;)

Alrik Fassbauer December 2nd, 2011 13:46

I'm split, personally.

I'm positive about stopping about Bioware's non-RPG games. Or EA, for that matter.

But I believe that "we" should still cover Bioware's RPGs. There's news about HOMM in the news section as well, and King's Bounty, too. Which are not really RPGs either.

And personally, I call the ME series as a new sub-genre : "Shooter-RPGs" …

CountChocula December 2nd, 2011 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer (Post 1061109782)
And personally, I call the ME series as a new sub-genre : "Shooter-RPGs" …

ME3's "RPG-ness" setting sounds like quite an interesting feature. Certainly it is at least newsworthy.

Biff The Understudy December 2nd, 2011 15:05

As yet another Ea brand i dont think bioware will ever again create anything that can really be called an rpg even if they themselves will lable it as such.
We now have Dragon Age and its awesome button, Mass effect the full motion video dating simulator and lets not forget their new company of heroes thingy.
The web is allready saturated with information on everything they do so i can see how a site dedicated to rpg's might want to skip them in the future.
I know i stopped paying attention to them sometime around jade empire.

JDR13 December 2nd, 2011 15:06

Hey, at least it was different from the usual "Bioware sucks now" rant.

Btw: Bioware sucks now.

JemyM December 2nd, 2011 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by skavenhorde (Post 1061109751)
You know as well as I do that if the game is RPG related then it might be covered. Might being the keyword in that sentence. For example: We covered Bioshock thoroughly and some Bioshock 2, but how much Bioshock 3 coverage do you see?

If it's popular with the people here then you'll probably see more coverage, but if it's "meh" like Bioshock has become then maybe a newsbit once in a blue moon.

Is Bioware popular here and are many of the recent news regarding Bioware (have a look) RPG related?

JemyM December 2nd, 2011 17:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatBastard() (Post 1061109761)
Who put you in charge of what "future of the cRPG" is supposed to be? ;)

They did. They…

pibbur0x2a December 2nd, 2011 20:35

No, we didn't!

We are pibbur……..

Jaz December 2nd, 2011 20:36

If your biggest worry is about the direction some video game corp or other might take with their games … well, then you must be one happy person ^^.

pibbur0x2a December 2nd, 2011 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDR13 (Post 1061109807)
Hey, at least it was different from the usual "Bioware sucks now" rant.

until ….
Quote:

Btw: Bioware sucks now.
!!!

I simply HAD to write this.

pibbur, who one might say is PREDICTABLY predictable.

skavenhorde December 2nd, 2011 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by JemyM (Post 1061109860)
Is Bioware popular here and are many of the recent news regarding Bioware (have a look) RPG related?

I'll say it again. More clearly it seems. If the game is RPG related and popular among our visitors then we will cover more of it. Just like we are continuing to cover this new Bioware offshoot. The second they show us that it isn't RPG related at all, is the day I will stop covering it. Can't speak for Dhruin, but I won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Even the not-so-popular RPGs get an appearance here like the roguelikes and Project Zomboid to name a few.

It's pretty much the same deal we give anybody. Show us a rpg that people here might be interested in and it gets posted. I could give a rat's ass who publishes or develops it.

So no I do not see Bioware as a whole being dropped completely. That would be idiotic. In the end who really cares who makes it? Sure names can mean something, but not with Bioware anymore. It will be the game that will be weighed. It will be measured and if it is found lacking then it won't appear here.

Same as before. Nothing has changed just because Bioware has gone off the deep end. It's the game that gets judged.

As for all the chatter about Bioware now well of course there is. This is all brand spanking new and hot off the presses. Come on Jemmy. You know all this. Are you really this bored….hell am I really this bored to be responding……..I guess I am. Screw that I'm going back to Terraria. Have fun here.

Alrik Fassbauer December 2nd, 2011 22:06

The other side of the extreme are the Action-RPGs by Blizzard, those which not a small number of people say/claim are not RPGs at all.

And those are covered here, too.
Because still, even although they resemble very little of "traditional" RPGs, they still have some parts of what an RPG constitutes of in them.

Imho the same reasoning could be applied for Bioware's "Shooter-RPGs".

(Interesting that these new sub-genres were invented by companies beginning with a "B" …)

darkling December 2nd, 2011 22:56

I think RPGWatch should only cover the RPGs I approve of. Of course, that includes the Dragon Age RPGs. That means me and JemyM should battle. QTE's at 20 paces. You in?

bjon045 December 3rd, 2011 00:34

Skyrim is at least 10x as good as anything bioware has put out in recent years so it is only fitting it gets 10x the coverage bioware does.

Alrik Fassbauer December 3rd, 2011 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkling (Post 1061109976)
I think RPGWatch should only cover the RPGs I approve of.

Then hand over your list.

Should the staff prepare an appendix to every newsbit saying "Now approved by darkling !" ?

Thaurin December 3rd, 2011 14:32

More console news and JRPGs!!

tennishero December 26th, 2011 14:08

they started going downhill ater jade empire

although they were always sh!t, they were less sh!t with KOTOR

Alrik Fassbauer December 26th, 2011 14:08

Monty Python says : Life's a piece of BEEP, if you look at it.
So, where is the difference, actually ?


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