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Dhruin July 4th, 2012 04:27

Risen 2 - Review @ RPG Codex
 
RPG Codex has posted a review of Risen 2, calling the game "Risen 2: FedEx Waters". In general, it's quite negative with a litany of complaints from the combat to the questing to the exploration, with the writing and humour being the only real high points:
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The island design goes from decent to horribad. The Sword Coast is probably the best one overall, with two settlements and a sizable chunk of stuff to explore. Caldera is another good one, if only because it’s composed only of a city, without any wilderness, which means you can forget, at least for an hour or two, about the clumsy combat. But then you get to Maracai Bay, which can only be described as “corridor island” because the whole damn area is made of nothing more than corridors carved out between huge, impassable mountains. And after that you get to corridor island’s revenge, otherwise known as the Isle of the Dead – this island is actually doubly disappointing because it’s the only one in the game that looks nice. Once you’ve been to the first island, Tacarigua, you’ve pretty much seen them all – they are all rather generic-looking jungles, that differ only with the shades of green used for vegetation (such as Tacarigua Happy and Maracai Grimdark). Meanwhile, when you land on the Isle of the Dead, you see those large, distressing mountains, a huge jade portal leading to the inner sanctum, and everything has those bleak and depressing colours. Inside, the island is made to resemble an Indian city carved out in stone. But then you get a map of the place and realise it’s nothing other than 2 corridors joined at the entrance, filled with undead and one fetch quest. Sigh.
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Thrasher July 4th, 2012 04:27

Hmm, sounds pretty bad. Glad I didn't jump onboard.

JDR13 July 4th, 2012 05:38

Risen 2 isn't bad at all. I disagree with a lot of what the reviewer said.

Tuco July 4th, 2012 07:17

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Originally Posted by Thrasher (Post 1061151703)
Hmm, sounds pretty bad. Glad I didn't jump onboard.

I liked Risen 1 more myself, but if you think you can afford to ignore a game like Risen 2 for some minor flaw, then you can pretty much give up to the entire genre these days.

Saxon1974 July 4th, 2012 07:36

Dissapointing, I liked Risen 1. I will probably pick this up eventually but not until it drops price quite a bit.

Dajjer July 4th, 2012 08:17

I like my paper box - I haven't given up on brick and mortar yet. I will get Risen 2 somewhere down the line but I hate the fact that they are forcing PC buyers to get it digitally - at least in the US. So this is my form of protest.

Thrasher July 4th, 2012 08:22

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Originally Posted by Tuco (Post 1061151721)
I liked Risen 1 more myself, but if you think you can afford to ignore a game like Risen 2 for some minor flaw, then you can pretty much give up to the entire genre these days.

Well it sounded like the combat was bad. And the lack of an open world like the Gothics and Risen is also a turnoff. Mainly boring fetch quests too give me a sigh. All in all not such minor flaws in my eyes. But I am open to revising my opinion, since a pirate setting is a big plus for me.

JDR13 July 4th, 2012 08:55

The combat is a step back from Risen, but it's not as bad as some try to make it sound. The world is open, and the sidequests aren't any different than 99% of the other AAA crpgs on the market.

Exploration isn't as satisfying as PB's older titles, but it's worth playing for the story, characters, and atmosphere if you like that setting.

Dhruin July 4th, 2012 10:00

I was disappointed, though I put it aside halfway through, so perhaps I haven't seen the best moments. As much as I like the setting in theory, it didn't do much for me in practice. The combat, exploration and other issues are well documented but it was the poor story exposition and the tone that took an additional toll. I like a touch of humour in my games but I didn't care much for either the overdone pirates or the ooga-booga natives.

tolknaz July 4th, 2012 10:57

All things considered it is still a good game, but definately a step in the wrong direction for PB. The loss of their trademark things like great exploration and all the impressive ambient stuff npc-s used to do in their earlier games is especially painful for me, as is cutting some key skills like prospecting and hunting related skills. The setting is great in theory, but the writing to support it is very weak (and it has never been PB's forte anyway). And all the endless fedex quests are a slap in the face to all the old PB fans.

bloodlover July 4th, 2012 11:39

Was anyone even expecting a positive review from the Codex?

tolknaz July 4th, 2012 11:49

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Originally Posted by bloodlover (Post 1061151744)
Was anyone even expecting a positive review from the Codex?

Risen got quite a positive review from Codex. Coincidentially it is also a very different game at its core. One with all of PB-s old strengths intact.

DArtagnan July 4th, 2012 12:31

I really loved the game for the most part, but I got sidetracked in the latter half of it. That's not a good sign - and I have to admit that the islands turned out to be too samey. Exploration was much less interesting after getting halfway through, because it was pretty apparent that it was the same stuff you were going to see.

The combat isn't good, either. Well, I should say it's not very well balanced - because I found it was pretty entertaining overall. I think they made voodoo too complicated/messy - and firearms (especially the muskets) way too powerful.

Overall, I consider it a good game - and the atmosphere is absolutely fantastic for a long time. It's just really sad that they couldn't fill it up with more variety in terms of locations and exploration.

It also got a rough reception from the mainstream media - and I fear it will not have sold enough copies to really make a sequel particularly desirable for the investors.

duerer July 4th, 2012 13:13

I loved Risen, but I had some problems with the Buccaneer setting of R2. It always seemed to me that PB wanted to enter the Pirates of the Caribbean bandwagon, and the early screenshots just strengthened this feeling (funny baby-faced enemies with maori tattoo, Alice Cooper lookalike voodoo priests, sexy gals in red latex, etc)… as if they could not decide whether the game is a parody of Gothic/Risen, or a full-fledged pirate adventure in its own right.
See: http://www.dsogaming.com/news/risen-…2-screenshots/

Maylander July 4th, 2012 13:20

I was hoping Risen 2 would be to Risen 1 what Gothic 2 was to Gothic 1. That was not the case, unfortunately. However, I still enjoyed it a lot, and I do consider it a great game.

Moriendor July 4th, 2012 15:18

Both Risens are a major waste of potential in my opinion. There are many good ideas to be seen but in the end everything is just pretty half-assed.
I basically have a love/hate relationship with both games. I love the good old PB style and atmosphere, the exploration, the humorous characters and dialogue and I hate just about everything else.
As for the Risen franchise, I sincerely hope that PB (or DS for that matter) is going to bury it. It has no future. There is no continuity, no lore, no coherent story, no depth, nothing…
I wish they would start over from scratch with a new universe and actually think stuff through next time.
Create a universe. Create a world. Create lore and create a vision. Then make a game based on that vision.
In essence: Rediscover creativity or -if they have lost all creativity as it seems when looking at Risen 1 + 2- then go and hire someone who is able to come up with and follow through on a creative vision.

Asdraguuhl July 4th, 2012 16:02

Eventually, I will play Risen 2 as I like Piranha Bytes but I simply refuse to pay full price for a digital download and I definitely refuse to support Day-0 DLC. Consequently, I have no choice but to wait for a Steam sale that includes all DLC.

I wonder how many people thought like me thus leading to lost sales during release.

Considering the mixed reviews, it becomes easy to have the patience until the Steam sale arrives :).

GhanBuriGhan July 4th, 2012 17:31

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Originally Posted by Moriendor (Post 1061151771)
As for the Risen franchise, I sincerely hope that PB (or DS for that matter) is going to bury it. It has no future. There is no continuity, no lore, no coherent story, no depth, nothing…
I wish they would start over from scratch with a new universe and actually think stuff through next time.
Create a universe. Create a world. Create lore and create a vision. Then make a game based on that vision.
In essence: Rediscover creativity or -if they have lost all creativity as it seems when looking at Risen 1 + 2- then go and hire someone who is able to come up with and follow through on a creative vision.

Harsh. I haven't playe R2 yet, but I tentatively agree - I thought pretty much from the beginning that as fun as the pirate theme seemed in and by itself, it was a strange choice with regards to developing a sequel, and thus with developing Risen as a franchise. Might have been better they'd just done a pirate game, if that's what they wanted to do.

Nameless one July 4th, 2012 18:21

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Originally Posted by GhanBuriGhan (Post 1061151800)
Harsh. I haven't playe R2 yet, but I tentatively agree - I thought pretty much from the beginning that as fun as the pirate theme seemed in and by itself, it was a strange choice with regards to developing a sequel, and thus with developing Risen as a franchise. Might have been better they'd just done a pirate game, if that's what they wanted to do.

I think that reason why risen and risen 2 have so different setting is that PB got gothic licence while risen 2 was announced and still pretty far in development.First risen was spiritual successor to gothic but once they got licence back they no longer needed successor and made risen 2 distinctive from gothic.That is my theory.

Dajjer July 4th, 2012 18:40

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Originally Posted by Asdraguuhl (Post 1061151791)
Eventually, I will play Risen 2 as I like Piranha Bytes but I simply refuse to pay full price for a digital download and I definitely refuse to support Day-0 DLC. Consequently, I have no choice but to wait for a Steam sale that includes all DLC.

I wonder how many people thought like me thus leading to lost sales during release.

Considering the mixed reviews, it becomes easy to have the patience until the Steam sale arrives :).


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