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Couchpotato July 21st, 2013 10:27

Chaos Chronicles - Legal Troubles
 
As most of you know news has been lacking for Chaos Chronicles. This is not good as the release should of been this summer. The reason for this I'm sorry to say is the game appears to be on hold.

The game is having legal trouble with the publisher bitComposer according to the official forums on RPGCodex a developer posted the following.

Quote:

I don't want to keep you guys from writing those excellent fiction, but the current unsettled situation with Chaos Chronicles is solely based on a conflict between us and bitcomposer.

At the current state the completion and release of the game is uncertain since our last attempt to find some agreement failed due the disappointment that we haven't heard back from bitcomposer after holding a long (and constructive) meeting.

Obviously, the game won't be released in this summer because bitcomposer stopped the development earlier this year through an legal injunction(which has been recalled later). The next few weeks will finally decide if the game will see the day of light or not.

More information.

Pongo July 21st, 2013 10:27

Oh man, that is bad news. I will be so disappointed if this doesn't see the light of day.

Gwendo July 21st, 2013 12:06

This will certainly make me boycot bitComposer for good.

wolfing July 21st, 2013 12:30

this was one of my most awaited games, so yes this sucks. Fortunately we're about to start a new golden age of RPGs so there's still plenty to look forward to.

Alrik Fassbauer July 21st, 2013 12:34

I never knew of bitcomposer behaving this way.

JackDandy July 21st, 2013 12:41

This is so depressing. I was really looking forward to that game. Is there nothing we can do?

Couchpotato July 21st, 2013 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackDandy (Post 1061208742)
This is so depressing. I was really looking forward to that game. Is there nothing we can do?

You could email or write bitComposer, but as of right now no one knows the real reason. I really hate when legal problems destroy games, and this crap reminds me why I hate lawyers. :evil:

GothicGothicness July 21st, 2013 13:12

Gawd, what will bitComposer gain from claiming the legal rights to the game, but preventing them from completing it ? Either bitcomposer stops giving them Money… and they can easily earn the Money they need on kickstarter or indiegogo, or they claim the right to the game and give them the Money to finish it.

What would they have to gain from a game they paid for that never gets finished? Sometimes I wounder if Publishers are in the industry to destroy it… I mean just look at EA.

JackDandy July 21st, 2013 14:37

Shit like this is why Kickstarter thrives. I wish there was a way to just eliminate Bitcomposer from the picture.

daveyd July 21st, 2013 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by GothicGothicness (Post 1061208745)
Gawd, what will bitComposer gain from claiming the legal rights to the game, but preventing them from completing it ? Either bitcomposer stops giving them Money… and they can easily earn the Money they need on kickstarter or indiegogo, or they claim the right to the game and give them the Money to finish it.

What would they have to gain from a game they paid for that never gets finished? Sometimes I wounder if Publishers are in the industry to destroy it… I mean just look at EA.

I think you may be on to something. This is just the latest footnote in the seemingly endless tomes of evidence that video game publishers primary function seems to be to hurt the industry. Sure, publishers make lots of games possible by funding them but they pressure developers to play it safe. The problem could be that bitcomposer has decided that there isn't enough of a demand for a turn-based party RPG and wanted them to make the game more "marketable". Or some similar BS.

GamesInquirer July 21st, 2013 17:16

Let's try and change this :)

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petition…nally-intended

If I did this right then it should be setup so that every single signature will also automatically send an e-mail to bitComposer (so I guess your text shouldn't be too inflammatory just to vent). If you would like any changes I'm open to advice, English isn't my native language and I've not done a petition before. I only used this website because it's what the successful Dark Souls petition was on.

I don't believe that it will work of course, but there's no harm in trying. Even a relatively modest number of signatures may work for a niche game like this which surely wasn't aiming to become the next mainstream hit regardless of any changes.

Since information is so scarce I've made sure not to blame anyone directly, but by the time we have information it may be too late for the situation to reverse.

Capt. Huggy Face July 21st, 2013 17:30

Bad news, indeed. This was at or near the top of my list of anticipated games. :(

:cm: All publishers must burn. :cm:

rjshae July 21st, 2013 17:36

There's not enough information to draw conclusions here, or determine who is ultimately at fault and for what reason. Hopefully it all gets cleared up and all sides benefit from the release.

Capt. Huggy Face July 21st, 2013 17:38

Stop being reasonable. Burn, I say. Burn! :cm:

spiraling69 July 21st, 2013 18:02

This doesn't surprise me. I knew something was going on since their website hasn't been updated in a long time, and I check it almost daily. Many of posts seem to have been hijacked somehow by irrelevant topics. My worst fear has been confirmed.

spiraling69 July 21st, 2013 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couchpotato (Post 1061208744)
You could email or write bitComposer, but as of right now no one knows the real reason. I really hate when legal problems destroy games, and this crap reminds me why I hate lawyers. :evil:

A few weeks ago I actually emailed bitComposer asking for an update since it's been so quiet. Never received a reply…

Carnifex July 21st, 2013 18:34

Very bad news indeed. Time to set yet another publisher on fire!!!



-Carn

Gorath July 21st, 2013 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiraling69 (Post 1061208766)
This doesn't surprise me. I knew something was going on since their website hasn't been updated in a long time, and I check it almost daily. Many of posts seem to have been hijacked somehow by irrelevant topics. My worst fear has been confirmed.

Yes, it's no surpise at all. CorePlay and bitComposer did Jagged Alliance: BiA together. The second bitComposer agreed to let another studio do a TB Jagged Alliance and even offered them funding, which they refused, it was clear something was wrong. It would have been much easier to contract CorePlay for that.

getter77 July 21st, 2013 18:37

The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife in terms of an OGL-reckoned game being strong-armed by a publisher. I hope whatever is going wrong can get situated, otherwise this becomes something even worse than the ongoing D&D debacle that has derailed Baldur's Gate EE I and II with yet again rights/publishers muddying the waters.

sakichop July 21st, 2013 20:02

I was really looking forward to this one as well.

I was really optimistic about the state of gaming ( at least gaming as I like it) when this and the number of kickstarter I'm interested in we're announced but now between legal issues, delays, incomplete or extremely buggy releases and kickstarters running short on funds, I'm much less optimistic.


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