Originally Posted by Pessimeister Please, I come to RPGWatch for intelligent discussions on games. Don't sully it with silly throw-away (and easily refuted) lines like this one. As JDR indicates, a similarity in viewing perspective does not equate to the non-evolution of gameplay. Did Dungeons of Daggorath have portal puzzles solvable in real time? No. Did it feature a party? No. Did it have a rune based mage system? No. Did it have as heavily driven a character system as Legend of Grimrock? No. All of these things have direct implications and effects on gameplay. Doesn't leave much room for the "How pathetic is that? line of "reasoning"