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January 24th, 2013, 10:54
Originally Posted by sakichop View Post
I understand he's comparing the freedoms. But they are apples and oranges.
No, not really.

Responsibly owing and caring for a gun hurts no one.
No, but irresponsible owning and use of a gun will KILL someone. Also, no matter how responsible you are - you can't be certain your children won't gain access to your weapons. We're human and we make mistakes.

That's why we shouldn't have access to guns.

Smoking will always hurt someone even if it's only the smoker but i bet you'd be hard pressed to find a smoker who only smokes alone.
Hurt being a very relative term, sure. Like driving a car will pollute and so on. Do you own a car?

Anyway, smoking is about addiction and addiction is about doing something against your own best interests.

It's funny many people on here are talking about banning guns, you know for the greater good. Yet a guy vents about smoking and then everyone is concerned about peoples rights.
Stop imagining things.

The majority was right behind SamX and his post. The reason I didn't like it - was because of how he correlated the bad and harmful habit of smoking with the personality of the people who're addicted to it.

I'm against smoking and everything that will harm people without benefit outweighing harm.

I'm not spouting bullshit, it's called facts.
It will never be a fact because you call it a fact.

You sure do get worked up easily and jump to the insults. Ridiculously stupid, insultingly ignorant, I don't think so.
When people claim I have no problem with people dying - I respond negatively. Compared to that claim, I think I was being very mild.

You see, words have a meaning - and you should know what you're accusing people of.

Just look around you despite the over whelming numbers people are way more concerned with gun violence than smoking deaths. You don't see nearly the outrage because smoking deaths come slowly over the years and don't get plastered on the news when they happen. People may not be "fine" with smoking deaths but they seem more concerned with peoples right to smoke.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Smoking has been a growing concern worldwide for many, many years.

It's a constant concern.

Gun violence is the rage now because of how many sickening incidents we've seen in recent years.

You're using your fantasy scenarios as some kind of reality. Millions of people are very, very concerned with how smoking harms people.

But it has been a freedom so far - and you can't expect people to just appreciate having that taken away - regardless of your own position on smoking.

Surly logic would tell you that fixing the smoking epidemic would save many more lives than banning guns.
Have I claimed otherwise? No, and you can't point it out either. So stop this fantasy crap - it's annoying.

You have posted many times it's about saving lives if you truly believe that I have a hard time seeing why you have a problem with what i've posted.
I have a problem with you claiming people don't care about how people are dying from smoke.

Just because we're discussing gun control doesn't mean we forget everything else. You're like DTE when you can't separate issues.

I can be very anti-smoking and yet understand the nature of addiction, and my entire point - all the way - has been that you can't correlate smoking with a defective personality. We're all subject to bad habits and we all behave in a way that's harmful to other people. That's my point.

It has nothing to do with defending smoking - but clarifying that the problem isn't defective people or "bad people". It's the universal weakness of human nature - and we're ALL subject to that.

THAT and only that was my problem with SamX's ludicrous and ignorant post.
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