lol, Wiz 4 is the ultimate S&M rpg experience. Wiz 8 doesn't come even close to that but still can't hurt helping out some people who want to try playing a great game. Took me forever to understand Wiz 7 (I gave up on 4 it was just too hardcore for me ) After I asked a few questions about Wiz 7 it became a lot more fun. Like why did my party keep dying all the time? After someone told me that class switching was actually encouraged, the game became really fun.