Rithrandil
SasqWatch
In many European countries, natural rights include positive rights, including a "lowest living standard". This means that some needs must be fulfilled, else the state pays them for you. This include stuff like hygiene, food, a place to live, means of transportation etc, but it also includes access to a phone and a television. There are also public access to stuff like internet for those who are searching for a job and if you are in school you can usually hire a computer at a very low cost to be able to fulfill your education.
Basically no one should ever get so poor, or so deep down, that they cannot function in society, or have a way to get out from their situation.
Right, but say Europe decided tomorrow that it would ban all use of cars and the internet and rebuild the society to function without them. That would be perfectly "fine", legally speaking. It might be a pretty crappy society, but they wouldn't be depriving anyone of their 'natural rights'.
It's like the Saudi Arabia thing. Women don't have a natural right to drive a car, but they have a natural right to be equal with men, thus they should be allowed to drive cars. If *no one* was allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia then it wouldn't be a rights issue.