zakhal
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Looks like the guy was well awarded - atleast in his own crazy mind. Too bad they didnt allow him to wear it after the massmurder.
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Major Explosion in Oslo - Pm's office destroyed
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A commentator says he will very likely use his trial as a platform for giving out his "philosophies" - marketing for free, sort of.
That doesen't matter - whatever crazy drivel he will spout, the western world will be disgusted by it. If you want to further your crazy agenda, you shouldn't kill Kids.
His actions were a lesson for me, that I have nearly forgotten: Evil doesen't have to have brown skin and wear towels on the head - it might be blonde, blue eyed and wearing a police-uniform.
His actions were a lesson for me, that I have nearly forgotten: Evil doesen't have to have brown skin and wear towels on the head - it might be blonde, blue eyed and wearing a police-uniform.
zakhal
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I know what you are talking about and this spring after starting to follow politics more closely I have had similar feelings about humanity. But lets not derail the threat. Its not worth it.
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That's what he wants. He tried to do this at his trial today, but that was denied him since 1) the hearing was closed to the media, not public. 2) he wasn't allowed to appear in his uniform - probably the one shown above. And 3) the judge cut him short when he started reading from his manifesto, since that was irrelevant to the question of temporary custody.
The final trial will largely be public, so what happens then is another matter.
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Finally some good news… they have lowered the death toll to 68 for the island… that was unexpected. We can also conclude that norway was in no way prepared for something like this. Police acted too slow, information was wrong and so on.
I totally understand this and I think now is the time to improve!
I totally understand this and I think now is the time to improve!
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pibbur
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It's much too early to draw any conclusions. But of course, there are things that need to be examined eventually.
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this is a comment from an al jazz article :
"'The Norwegian bomber was a white Christian, so I guess that means we should have increased security checks at airports for anyone wearing a crucifix, should treat any Christian looking person like a potential terrorist threat and we should probably stop any Churches from being built around where the attacks took place cuz like, it would be as if they were celebrating"
"'The Norwegian bomber was a white Christian, so I guess that means we should have increased security checks at airports for anyone wearing a crucifix, should treat any Christian looking person like a potential terrorist threat and we should probably stop any Churches from being built around where the attacks took place cuz like, it would be as if they were celebrating"
I'm not familiar with al jazz, but I can't imagine that he/she/they have much credibility with statements like that.
Great let's make lists. Maybe if I look into it I could find a longer list with atrocities towards Muslims. Then someone else can make an even longer list the other way around and we'll do that a couple of times. Then we could have discussions on who started and if the Muslims are reacting to the treatment they receive in the west or that we are reacting to how Christians are treated there.
While doing that let's also forget what this thread is about.
While doing that let's also forget what this thread is about.
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Why? If this would have been an action by a Muslim, we wouldn't be discussing about a single person responsible for it but about the evil of Islam.
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I find it strange that we're so focused on him being a Christian. I mean, is it a particularly Christian act to slaughter other Christians for disagreeing?
It seems to me his "mission" was a political and paranoid one, based on a severely skewed sense of patriotism.
He's a person who put his own convictions above the lives of others. He's arrogant enough to trust his own vision of what's right so much that it was ok to kill people who disagreed with him. Even children, who haven't had a chance to form any opinion about such things. I'd like to hear his logical reasoning for slaughtering children with no apparent political or religious affiliation.
He might be suffering from some disorder that has allowed him to come to this point. This kind of "tunnel vision" as some call it, can hardly be the result of a healthy mind. It will be interesting to hear about his background and upbringing.
If we need to focus on anything, I think it's how a person can come to trust his own opinions enough to devalue the lives of others with such conviction. This doesn't seem to be the result of a psychosis or some divine external pressure. I haven't heard him say "God made me do it" or anything like that. This seems to be carefully and deliberately planned without any overt religious overtone.
It seems to me his "mission" was a political and paranoid one, based on a severely skewed sense of patriotism.
He's a person who put his own convictions above the lives of others. He's arrogant enough to trust his own vision of what's right so much that it was ok to kill people who disagreed with him. Even children, who haven't had a chance to form any opinion about such things. I'd like to hear his logical reasoning for slaughtering children with no apparent political or religious affiliation.
He might be suffering from some disorder that has allowed him to come to this point. This kind of "tunnel vision" as some call it, can hardly be the result of a healthy mind. It will be interesting to hear about his background and upbringing.
If we need to focus on anything, I think it's how a person can come to trust his own opinions enough to devalue the lives of others with such conviction. This doesn't seem to be the result of a psychosis or some divine external pressure. I haven't heard him say "God made me do it" or anything like that. This seems to be carefully and deliberately planned without any overt religious overtone.
zakhal
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I doubt you can find any long list of atrocities towards muslims in nordic countries. Unlike muslim countries we are famous for our tolerance and its not somthing Im shamed off.
Still Im disgusted how the european lefties are using this psyko's massmurder as device to furthen their own goals. The bodies have barely gone cold and they are making it into a political discussion.
I don't think this has anything to do with him being a Christian either. I do think on average the reactions to something as awful as this would be very different if the act was committed by someone with a different religious background. Even if he would have been a lone wolf.
For the rest I find myself strangely enough agreeing with your post
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Yes, that's true enough. People tend to look at religion before the person - which is pretty strange to me. In my experience, I've never met two "religious" people with the same interpretation of what's "right" behavior. The same goes for any political notion of right and wrong.
Religion could be a comfortable excuse for slaughter - just as it could be one for helping or supporting. It's the reasoning behind such convictions we need to understand. If there is no reasoning - then we're not dealing with a sane individual. That's the assumption, anyway.
For the rest I find myself strangely enough agreeing with your post
Now THAT is called a psychosis
I'm sure I can't, but the list you gave was not from a single region but from a variety of different nations and wasn't about atrocities towards people from the Nordic countries, so I think it would be fare a different list could contain all non-Muslim countries.
That said, I do not see the point of making any list and comparing who has the longest, biggest or best.
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zakhal
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In Finland the discussion has been mainly about these nordic massmurders and muslim terrorists. Allthough in this thread too the discussion has been atleast in som points about "nordic countries". I can clearly remember somone talking about "nordic taliban" even.
The list itself is a good reminder how good we have it here when compared to some famous muslim countries even if we have som psykos who in rare cases commit acts like this.
Also Im not even interested of discussing this. But I just cant stand and watch when some people are trying to make this tragedy a political discussion so I have to say somthing.
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He was only christian in the cultural sense (so he writes) as part of the cultural heritage.
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I'm not sure I can make sense of that.
Wasn't the Knights Templar a highly religious order?