Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act

FYI

RFID chips can be used in ID cards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-f…identification

Smartcards are somewhat different beasts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_card

They can, but IMO they shouldn't. I have no objections to carrying a chipped ID that can be read in a suitable card reader, but I don't like having to carry something that can be read remotely without my never knowing about it. (RFID readers are very cheap too.)

I think smartcards can be read remotely, too.

Originally Posted by Thrasher
I think smartcards can be read remotely, too.

Nope, they can't. Trust me on this one, I work with them.

All smartcards are not the same, apparently. Some CAN be read remotely…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_c…ess_smart_card

A second type is the contactless smart card, in which the chip communicates with the card reader through RFID induction technology (at data rates of 106 to 848 kbit/s). These cards require only close proximity to an antenna to complete transaction. They are often used when transactions must be processed quickly or hands-free, such as on mass transit systems, where smart cards can be used without even removing them from a wallet.
The standard for contactless smart card communications is ISO/IEC 14443. It defines two types of contactless cards ("A" and "B"), allows for communications at distances up to 10 cm. There had been proposals for ISO/IEC 14443 types C, D, E, F and G that have been rejected by the International Organization for Standardization.[citation needed] An alternative standard for contactless smart cards is ISO/IEC 15693, which allows communications at distances up to 50 cm.

Yes, those would be the RFID cards I don't want on my ID card — the "RFID chips" you mentioned a few messages up, and the ones I specifically objected to. Regular smart cards — like the one you have in your phone — can't be read remotely. They need a reader with physical contacts.

Right. There's RFID, Contact Smartcards without RFID, and hybrid Smartcards with RFID interfaces… Lots to choose from… Definitely the contact smartcards would be more secure.

Here are some interesting articles I thought I'd share, regarding this new law in Arizona

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ…al_immigration

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/30/ari…ion/index.html

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon0430hm.html

http://www.devvy.com/new_site/federa…ns_050310.html

UPDATE:

Parts of the act have been blocked by a Federal judge until it can be reviewed by the courts.

"Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked."

While this seems to match libertarian ideals, I'll bet Rand Paul is not jumping for joy.

Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law

and they should have blocked. Most people think about the law and what it's supposed to accomplish, and yes that is a good thing, but nobody stops to think of the potential problems.
Say, you and me, we're both american citizens, but my parents are from Mexico (so I look Mexican). We're both enjoying ourselves at the beach on spring break, imagine we commit some sort of misdemeanor and cops stop us. They give you a ticket, but they look at my face, ask if I have proof of citizenship, which obviously I don't (I'm at the beach remember?), but I go to jail and you go home, just because of the way I look.
That's what I think is the main problem.

Well I thought about the problems from the get go,. It was more of a political stunt than something I think they thought they could get away with.

Props to Arizona for enforcing their laws.

Just become a legalized citizen, then we don't have any issues.

Originally Posted by wolfing
Say, you and me, we're both american citizens, but my parents are from Mexico (so I look Mexican). We're both enjoying ourselves at the beach on spring break, imagine we commit some sort of misdemeanor and cops stop us. They give you a ticket, but they look at my face, ask if I have proof of citizenship, which obviously I don't (I'm at the beach remember?), but I go to jail and you go home, just because of the way I look.

Very unlikely scenario. I'm pretty sure they have other ways of quickly checking to see if you're a US citizen. For instance, your Social Security #.

I've had the guy who literally set the standard (is part owner of the patent and is one of the three main partners of the company) lecture to us engineering students at our university.

Short answer, they break. They aren't practical yet. They are subject to a lot of radio interference and are just too weak, especially when packed onto the inside boxes of pallettes (big box companies like Wal Mart and Costco are their target customers).

About 40% of the 128k memory on these things are used for error checking (but this is standard for blue tooth devices too).

Two weeks later when someone at my church mentioned them, I didn't say anything.

also, back on subject, this law passed or not, is meaningless. The word "reasonable" in the language makes this a non-law. The federal laws already on the books are tougher. No cop is required to report anything if they don't find it "reasonable".

Its just an attempt at creating a wedge issue in time for the November election. Both sides are just sitting back collecting points pandering to their constituents over a non-issue. Its why other states are getting involved and even the press is going on and on about it - because they know its meaningless.

All these Mexicans on tv bitching about the law are really pissing me off. It's not "racist" to stop someone who fits the profile of a certain criminal act. Is it racist if a 5 foot 11 300 pound bald man robbed a bank and I get stopped and questioned about it, because I fit the profile? No. How about using your energy to make sure your fellow country men enter this country legally instead? The doors are open to any and all who want to come here as far as I am concerned. But do it the right way, or suffer whatever consequences and inconveniences come your way.

Follow US laws, and then there isn't any issue.

Originally Posted by Icefire
All these Mexicans on tv bitching about the law are really pissing me off. It's not "racist" to stop someone who fits the profile of a certain criminal act. Is it racist if a 5 foot 11 300 pound bald man robbed a bank and I get stopped and questioned about it, because I fit the profile? No. How about using your energy to make sure your fellow country men enter this country legally instead? The doors are open to any and all who want to come here as far as I am concerned. But do it the right way, or suffer whatever consequences and inconveniences come your way.

You portray it as being easy to come to the US. You probably have no idea how hard it is.

Originally Posted by Pladio
You portray it as being easy to come to the US. You probably have no idea how hard it is.

Not hard enough…

Originally Posted by JDR13
Not hard enough…

To become a legal citizen is very hard.
When you have to choose between being murdered (or having a very high chance of being killed) by rival drug gangs, while waiting for your visa application to come through if you even have the money for the application and jumping a fence illegally, what would you do ?