|
Your donations keep RPGWatch running!
RPGWatch Forums » Comments » News Comments » Avadon - Review @ Gear Diary

Default Avadon - Review @ Gear Diary

March 14th, 2011, 22:33
Mike 'txa1265' Anderson has the first Avadon review we know of, obviously based on the Mac release. There's no score but Mike clearly enjoyed it a great deal:
Role playing is expensive – this has been documented. For every branch that a developer throws into a dialogue tree they need to flesh out the entire plot ramifications, fill out the characters and dialogue and everything else. As a result there are two methods typically used – phantom branching and short-term branching. In short term branching you get to make choices, see their effect within a small section of the game and potentially have some mention of them later on, but ultimately all paths lead back to the same final battle with the same binary choice.
Phantom Branching is very common and simply fills your experience with choices you can make that seem to build out the type of character you are – you can make harsh statements or generous ones, greedy choices or selfless acts. But these games are built for a single playthrough and therefore even within that same quest everything always turns out the same. At most you’ll get some mention of the actions, but these are simply ‘fill in the blank’ statements with no far reaching impact.
So it is a breath of fresh air that you truly make changes and choices in Avadon. Make no mistake, since the main quest-line is linear as I said earlier you are headed on the same path to the same final confrontation, but as you make more and more choices in one direction or the other they add up, your reputation is altered and the world before you subtly shifts. It is wonderful to have a game so focused on your experience as a gamer.
More information.
Dhruin is offline

Dhruin

Dhruin's Avatar
Keeper of the Watch
Super Moderator
RPGWatch Team

#1

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 11,968

Default 

March 14th, 2011, 22:33
Looks great. I hope the PC version will be out soon.
MrSanta78 is offline

MrSanta78

MrSanta78's Avatar
Watcher

#2

Join Date: May 2010
Location: Czech Republic
Posts: 61

Default 

March 14th, 2011, 22:57
Me too.
I've only played Nethergate and the first Avernum trilogy to any depth (i.e. finished or near), so it'll be nice to be able to get in on the ground floor of a Spiderweb series for once, while it's reasonably new.

Proud leader of the Shit Games Liberation Front
All your shit games are belong to us
Shagnak is offline

Shagnak

Shagnak's Avatar
SGLF Founder

#3

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 315

Default 

March 14th, 2011, 23:47
I have played all Spiderweb games so far: Exile, Geneforge, Nethergate, Avernum … and I'm waiting for Avadon, too.

For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. - HL Mencken
HiddenX is offline

HiddenX

HiddenX's Avatar
The Elder Spy
RPGWatch Donor

#4

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: NRW/Germany
Posts: 4,586

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 00:21
Really good review Mike.

I just discovered the world of Avernum this past year when I bought A6 and was blown away by it. It was that good and that says a lot coming from someone who earlier couldn't get past the graphics in previous Avernum's so never really gave them the chance.
Not many games are a day one purchase for me anymore but Avadon will be.
Warmark is offline

Warmark

Sentinel

#5

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Vancouver , Canada
Posts: 395

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 00:28
Excellent review. Can't wait to get Avadon - no need to wait for patches or a "complete pack" with all expansions and dlc nonsense like so many other RPGs these days…

Originally Posted by magerette
I'm so tired of marketing hype, marketing slang, marketing priorities and general marketing BS that it tends to have the opposite effect on me. (Jaded is the word I'm looking for here.) I can't even read through a whole press release from any AAA title company without wanting to turn off my computer and learn to cross-stitch.
Amasius is offline

Amasius

Amasius's Avatar
Watcher

#6

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 78

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 01:06
Ready to throw my money at this game when released for PC.
rich ruffo is offline

rich ruffo

Sentinel

#7

Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 576

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 01:24
What's a Skyfire?
JuliusMagnus is offline

JuliusMagnus

Indulgent Wastrel

#8

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 405

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 02:42
I've only played Geneforge 5. Was thinking to try Avernum. But I'll wait wait for this instead.
It looks great. The graphics seem to be slighty better than Gen5.
Anyway, this is will be a worthwhile buy.
Von Paulus is offline

Von Paulus

Von Paulus's Avatar
Sentinel

#9

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Portugal
Posts: 414

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 04:36
Originally Posted by JuliusMagnus View Post
What's a Skyfire?
Couldn't find one in the review … now SkyRIM was mentioned. Thanks for spotting that !

— Mike
txa1265 is offline

txa1265

txa1265's Avatar
SasqWatch

#10

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Corning, NY USA
Posts: 11,538

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 08:59
I hope he gets the PC version out in April… May is so packed with big titles I wouldn't want Avadon getting lost in the shuffle.
DoctorNarrative is offline

DoctorNarrative

DoctorNarrative's Avatar
Patroling Written Words

#11

Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,825

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 10:40
Nice read, thnx man!
Certainly gonna buy that game.
ikbenrichard is offline

ikbenrichard

ikbenrichard's Avatar
Fulltime RPG watcher

#12

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 780

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 11:51
Thanks for the review!

The cynic in me would have liked a bit more critical look into the game, but no worries.

Hopefully the PC version is released before Witcher 2.

"It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue."
Lurking Grue is offline

Lurking Grue

Lurking Grue's Avatar
Random Encounter #23

#13

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: I come from the land of ice and snow
Posts: 564

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 21:20
Hum, looks like this is planned for iphone/pad/pod touch release too… No wonder you can only have 3 party members and systems appear to have been made simpler…

I hope it's still good as it will be my first purchase from Spiderweb, I didn't really wanna start the other series since they have so many parts… Maybe I will another time though.
Al3xand3r is offline

Al3xand3r

Watcher

#14

Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 41

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 21:21
Thank you very much for the review Mike. I was waiting for a review of Avadon. I'm impatient for the release of the PC version.
Gokyabgu is offline

Gokyabgu

Gokyabgu's Avatar
Sentinel

#15

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sigil
Posts: 816

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 22:34
I played part of the demo. I think would make a really great iPad game. I hope it happens, as I'll probably get the iPad 3.
Ovenall is offline

Ovenall

Ovenall's Avatar
Keeper of the Watch

#16

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Downtown Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,074

Default 

March 15th, 2011, 23:37
Originally Posted by Al3xand3r View Post
Hum, looks like this is planned for iphone/pad/pod touch release too… No wonder you can only have 3 party members and systems appear to have been made simpler…

I hope it's still good as it will be my first purchase from Spiderweb, I didn't really wanna start the other series since they have so many parts… Maybe I will another time though.
I don't mean to be combative over something that is your choice but this sort of thing drives me crazy. You imply this game has been streamlined but this is the one you're going to buy. What message would you expect Jeff to take from that?

This isn't aimed at you specifically but Avernum 6 and Geneforge 4/5 are fantastic games that look almost as good as this. Stop talking about Dragon Age 2 and the streamlining of the genre and go play one of the best party-based CRPGs released in years.

-= RPGWatch =-
Dhruin is offline

Dhruin

Dhruin's Avatar
Keeper of the Watch
Super Moderator
RPGWatch Team

#17

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 11,968

Default 

March 16th, 2011, 00:04
Originally Posted by Dhruin View Post
I don't mean to be combative over something that is your choice but this sort of thing drives me crazy. You imply this game has been streamlined but this is the one you're going to buy. What message would you expect Jeff to take from that?

This isn't aimed at you specifically but Avernum 6 and Geneforge 4/5 are fantastic games that look almost as good as this. Stop talking about Dragon Age 2 and the streamlining of the genre and go play one of the best party-based CRPGs released in years.
The other thing to be clear about - you will IN NO WAY think this game is aimed at iOS based on playing it on Mac or PC.

As for the rest … I am with you 100% Dhruin.

— Mike
txa1265 is offline

txa1265

txa1265's Avatar
SasqWatch

#18

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Corning, NY USA
Posts: 11,538

Default 

March 16th, 2011, 00:07
Never mind the streamlining, supporting the iPad is enough to drive me crazy
DoctorNarrative is offline

DoctorNarrative

DoctorNarrative's Avatar
Patroling Written Words

#19

Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,825

Default 

March 16th, 2011, 01:45
Turn based, old(er)-school RPGs would be perfect for the iPad.

My wish from indie developers: Build a good, basic but versatile engine. Sell that with an adventure, like a module from old D&D days. An interesting, but relatively simple and self-contained adventure. Then sell updates which are more, newer modules. You can keep tweaking the engine and content as you do this. But then you don't have to build, develop and release the OMG EPIC 100hour+++ adventure full of bloat and filler. We are all only human. I personally think it's a ridiculous goal for small, independent developers to try to create epic, sprawling stories. Why try? Give us good content in sizes that make sense. I don't want to save the f*cking world when I play an indie game.

Again, a platform like the iPad is perfect for this kind of gaming model, to download updates and add-on content.
Ovenall is offline

Ovenall

Ovenall's Avatar
Keeper of the Watch

#20

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Downtown Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,074
RPGWatch Forums » Comments » News Comments » Avadon - Review @ Gear Diary
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT +2. The time now is 14:20.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright by RPGWatch