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February 6th, 2013, 21:03
Originally Posted by dteowner View Post
I did read it. I find it pointless to simply tell you that you're all over the map and tremendously inconsistent—you get all fussy and you resist any attempt (whether backed by "common sense" or backed by a wall of documentation—as a side note, I find your clearly stated reliance on "common sense" in this thread ironic given your utter disdain when others use it) at people telling you how to think. Thus, the only real avenue to get you out of your mental bunker is to ask questions that (attempt to) lead you to the desired thoughts all by your little lonesome. If the thought ain't "DArt sense" then you're simply not going to accept it.
Let's see how that works out for you.

Remember, there's a difference between being inconsistent - and people not listening, or even worse, not comprehending what the hell you're saying.

As for my question itself… you're a clear proponent of gun control and claim that guns have no real use beyond harming others and a high chance of harming yourself. You dismiss any argument about positive aspects of gun ownership because they don't fit into DArt Sense. OK, if that's the structure you're happy with, I'll roll with it. Now, let's look at tobacco smoke. You do not favor a ban of smoking, in spite of significant evidence that smoke definitely harms yourself and has a high chance of harming others. Let's not even drag in the alcohol argument at this time, although it would fit into my argument just fine— I'm a little pressed for time.
I said I'm not in favor of banning smoking UNTIL we know more about second-hand smoke.

Now, and this is the key part you're not getting, the DIFFERENCE between smoking and using guns - is that owned guns CAN'T be controlled in a way that's sufficient. You CAN'T have a gun in a way that doesn't risk lives of other people. That's because there's only a SINGLE use - and that use is lethal, no matter what the hell you do - if people are involved.

Even the most responsible parent can make a mistake - and a child might get his hands on it - or some criminal during a break-in. Whatever. It's completely and utterly lethal in the wrong hands.

To put it into words you might understand - it's too damned lethal and it's too damned obvious. Lethal to OTHER PEOPLE - that is.

For smoking - IF second-hand smoke turns out to be significantly dangerous ONLY IN SPECIFIC scenarios - than a complete ban is not right.

You see - "deaths" caused by smoking is not as clear-cut as "deaths" caused by guns. The grey area is ENORMOUS.

Remember this is ENTIRELY about second-hand smoking.

Deaths by "first-hand" smoking is not cause for a ban. I believe people should have the right to choose something like that.

The same would be true for guns, if guns were only used for suicides. I'm not against suicides.

THAT is why I'm not FOR banning smoking OR alchohol - because the grey area is enormous. But I'm also not AGAINST it. I'm UNDECIDED. I need MORE INFORMATION before I would support taking away such a freedom.

Oh, and if it's not already obvious, I don't give two shits about the "research" into second-hand smoke. The amount of factors coming into play that are relevant are such that it would be nearly impossible to establish what the hell causes what.

We would need a much higher priority on the subject, and I'd support that in a cold minute.

You're inconsistent. Worse, you're sniping at people for using common sense as it relates to guns while joyously reveling in common sense as it relates to smoke. If your logic is that tortured, the only real response is to question whether the logic is sound. I suppose it's up to you whether you're willing to do that. I won't even attempt to tell you what to think. Use your DArt sense for a bit.
Being called inconsistent by you is like being complimented - so thank you.

I'm sorry you can't think outside of your tiny, tiny black and white universe - but let's just say I'm not worried about my consistency. That was never a problem for me.
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February 6th, 2013, 22:10
Glad I could help.

Honestly, though, I just don't understand how you can treat every problem like a completely new and unique situation that lacks any commonality to previous problems. Not only "how", but "why". You're buried in redesigned wheels. I guess it's just a different way of looking at the world. Apparently it works for you. Not sure it's demonstrably better so the snide attitude seems a bit misplaced, but whatever floats yer boat.

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February 6th, 2013, 22:36
Originally Posted by dteowner View Post
Glad I could help.

Honestly, though, I just don't understand how you can treat every problem like a completely new and unique situation that lacks any commonality to previous problems. Not only "how", but "why". You're buried in redesigned wheels. I guess it's just a different way of looking at the world. Apparently it works for you. Not sure it's demonstrably better so the snide attitude seems a bit misplaced, but whatever floats yer boat.
Yes, I've been more abrasive than usual.

I apologize.

Broke up with my GF not long ago - and I'm not in my normal place.

Besides, I get sick of the suffering going around - and sometimes it seems I talk to people all day long who contribute to it, with or without intent. I even contribute myself.
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February 6th, 2013, 23:00
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No candidate for the Norwegian peace prize then. OTOH, you didn't support George Dubya Bush (I think), so may be there's hope for you after all.

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February 7th, 2013, 06:20
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Broke up with my GF not long ago - and I'm not in my normal place.
Sorry about that.

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February 7th, 2013, 12:18
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Sorry about that.

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That's ok, was my call. Wasn't doing anything good for either of us.

But I guess I'm even more grumpy than usual.

Anyway, sorry to everyone who's been on the receiving end.
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February 7th, 2013, 14:02
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Yes, I've been more abrasive than usual.

I apologize.

Broke up with my GF not long ago - and I'm not in my normal place.

Besides, I get sick of the suffering going around - and sometimes it seems I talk to people all day long who contribute to it, with or without intent. I even contribute myself.
I wasn't fishing for an apology and you know I didn't take it personal. No worries. Hang tough. I leave you with the infinite wisdom of the only liberal we allowed in my college class (one of my best friends back then, and to this day I still say "kwatta" instead of "quarter" because of his bad influence):

"Oh for the days when men were men, and women were chattel."

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February 8th, 2013, 10:24
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I wasn't fishing for an apology and you know I didn't take it personal. No worries. Hang tough. I leave you with the infinite wisdom of the only liberal we allowed in my college class (one of my best friends back then, and to this day I still say "kwatta" instead of "quarter" because of his bad influence):

"Oh for the days when men were men, and women were chattel."
Yeah, that might have been a more comfortable time in some ways

But still, I do have an abrasive style (no kidding) - but I went overboard. So, an apology is appropriate.
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April 23rd, 2013, 19:49
Smoking can cause lung cancer and injurious to health.I hate smoking.It must be avoided at any cost and there should be some campaign for awareness about its bad effects at all level.

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April 23rd, 2013, 20:06
So does driving a car. Get over it…
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