|
Your donations keep RPGWatch running!
RPGWatch Forums » General Forums » Politics, Religion & other Controversies » I love a story with a happy ending.

Default I love a story with a happy ending.

July 15th, 2013, 18:52
Weird to see the verdict in the Zimmerman case mentioned in this thread.
In my country most of the news I have seen is mentioning racial profiling, the jury (6 women, 5 white), that the police told Zimmerman not to pursue and Zimmerman, a member of a neighborhood watch, being armed of course. The latter (shooting neighborhood watch) is often in the headline.

A man should never be ashamed to own he has been wrong, which is but saying that he is wiser today than he was yesterday - Alexander Pope
Omega is offline

Omega

Omega's Avatar
Low Profile

#241

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Europe
Posts: 515

Default 

July 15th, 2013, 19:01
Also interesting how the media has chosen to limit their photos of Trayvon to when he was a cute 10-year-old, rather than the teen thug pictures he took of himself. Just love it when the media seeks to mold and modify the story rather than just tell it.

Sorry. No pearls of wisdom in this oyster.
Dallas Cowboys: Still afraid to hope / / Detroit Red Wings: Another rollercoaster season?
dteowner is offline

dteowner

dteowner's Avatar
Shoegazer

#242

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Indiana, USA
Posts: 11,346

Default 

July 15th, 2013, 19:26
Besides any kind of political agenda they may or may not have in the case, just like anything they're very eager to stir up shit and make some news. Come on, dont let us down. Let's get rioting so we can fly around in helicopters shooting footage of burning buildings. It's pure exploitation, just as much as any blaxploitation film made in the 70's was.

Their problem is that, much to their chagrin, as time goes on real everyday people are caring less and less about this "racist boogeyman" that is being constantly thrown at them as some kind of omnipresent threat. Sure, the race industry and MSM keeps cranking away and riling people up. Sure theyre going to focus on angry mobs. But when the rubber hits the road, I dont think black america as a whole is in thrall to this kind of obsessive racist thinking anymore. Angry welfare ghetto mobs are gonna do what angry welfare ghetto mobs are going to do, theyre hopeless and clueless anyway. Liberal race obsessors are gonna do what theyre gonna do. But mainstream law abiding tax paying black america that gets up and works 9-5 like everyone else are not simply following the script anymore. Some of the most beloved public figures in this country are black, black culture is idolized, we have a black president elected by white people.

I think people realize this is a new age, and the news just hates that because it's bad for business. The race hustlers realize that, and it's bad for business, but it's the truth.

White liberals get more stirred up about this far more than the average black person in this country, quite frankly.
Last edited by xSamhainx; July 15th, 2013 at 19:42.
xSamhainx is offline

xSamhainx

xSamhainx's Avatar
Paws of Doom

#243

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Diego, Ca
Posts: 4,671

Default 

July 15th, 2013, 19:58
Originally Posted by xSamhainx View Post
White liberals get more stirred up about this far more than the average black person in this country, quite frankly.
The same people who fall for everything else they see on the tv fall for this kind of thing, too. Of course looking back with all the facts the truth that was obvious from the start came out. Locally we get a couple of these every year about our evul cops then you find out the guy was actually a drug dealer and had murdered 3 people by 19 and was shooting at the cops. Some people never learn, though.
ManWhoJaped is offline

ManWhoJaped

Keeper of the Watch

#244

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 777

Default 

July 15th, 2013, 20:08
It seems that pretty much everything that the news showed us about the case was manipulated in order to get us riled up.

It doesn't even seem that the jury got all the info as the prosecution got all kinds of stuff exempt from the case and they still found him innocent.
Toff is offline

Toff

Toff's Avatar
Sentinel

#245

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 565

Default 

July 15th, 2013, 20:29
Originally Posted by Toff View Post
It seems that pretty much everything that the news showed us about the case was manipulated in order to get us riled up.

It doesn't even seem that the jury got all the info as the prosecution got all kinds of stuff exempt from the case and they still found him innocent.
This is why richard jewel got 50 million from suing cnn and FBI. It should be tried criminally. How much violence did this cause? No different from shouting "fire!" in a movie theater except you are doing it into 100 million homes. If I hadn't seen the news do the same thing 100 times I'd probably get riled up, too.

Interestingly I see many of the same people who defended the cops arresting the 19 year old kid for facebook comment have no problem when this hatchet job.
ManWhoJaped is offline

ManWhoJaped

Keeper of the Watch

#246

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 777

Default 

July 15th, 2013, 20:31
All it takes is a single reasonable doubt, and you are found not guilty. We really don't have the story from the victim's point of view, because he is dead. The two of them were the only eye witnesses. Not surprised the killer was found not guilty. Don't have any reason to believe the verdict is the truth, though.
Thrasher is offline

Thrasher

Thrasher's Avatar
Wheeee!
RPGWatch Donor

#247

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Studio City, CA
Posts: 10,153

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 03:17
Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
All it takes is a single reasonable doubt, and you are found not guilty. We really don't have the story from the victim's point of view, because he is dead. The two of them were the only eye witnesses. Not surprised the killer was found not guilty. Don't have any reason to believe the verdict is the truth, though.
We have all the facts, he was beaten silly and martin was untouched until he was shot. Thankfully the law doesn't (as yet) take silly things like who hurt whose feelings the most into account, just the facts.
ManWhoJaped is offline

ManWhoJaped

Keeper of the Watch

#248

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 777

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 03:25
We have one man's testimony to that account. No corroboration. No facts.

EDIT: One person did see them fighting. But no one saw who initiated the fight.

We do know as a fact that Zimmerman and his wife are liars, and shouldn't be trusted.

June 1, 2012 - Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. revokes Zimmerman's bond and orders him to surrender within 48 hours after the prosecution argues that Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, misrepresented their finances when Zimmerman's bond was originally set in April.
Last edited by Thrasher; July 16th, 2013 at 03:47.
Thrasher is offline

Thrasher

Thrasher's Avatar
Wheeee!
RPGWatch Donor

#249

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Studio City, CA
Posts: 10,153

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 04:24
Yeah…that proves he was lying about the assault.

The key words there are "the prosecution argues".
JDR13 is offline

JDR13

JDR13's Avatar
SasqWatch

#250

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Florida, US
Posts: 18,056

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 07:21
Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
We have one man's testimony to that account. No corroboration. No facts.

EDIT: One person did see them fighting. But no one saw who initiated the fight.
Yeah that 6 year old "he started it!" stuff doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if he were a racist either.

There are facts and I stated them. He was seriously beaten, that's a fact. Martin was untouched, another fact.

That should have been enough to mean he was let go and no case was made. The idea someone would start a fight and get his ass seriously beaten in order to just shoot some random guy is laughable beyond needing a response yet this is the only argument against him.

The point is none of these are facts, it's just made up conjecture, and more laughable than most. There's simply no case and there should have been no trial.

Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
We do know as a fact that Zimmerman and his wife are liars, and shouldn't be trusted.
Yeah and again more 6 year old reasoning. Especially when the judge was outraged that THE FUND FOR THEIR DEFENSE wasn't able to be completely destroyed by the bail bond amount. What kind of justice is that? Obviously the court did its level best to rig the result to popular opinion but failed anyway due to jurors not being total tards.
ManWhoJaped is offline

ManWhoJaped

Keeper of the Watch

#251

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 777

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 09:52
Zimmerman has a history of starting fights, and was stalking Martin, looking for trouble. It doesn't take a 6 year old to figure out who was more likely to have initiated the conflict, and certainly his testimony is suscpect. He just picked a target that could beat the shit out of him.
Thrasher is offline

Thrasher

Thrasher's Avatar
Wheeee!
RPGWatch Donor

#252

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Studio City, CA
Posts: 10,153

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 11:13
Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
Zimmerman has a history of starting fights, and was stalking Martin, looking for trouble. It doesn't take a 6 year old to figure out who was more likely to have initiated the conflict, and certainly his testimony is suscpect. He just picked a target that could beat the shit out of him.
Now you're just talking out your ass. History of starting fights? What history?

The only other time George Zimmerman had been in the news was when he rallied his community to help out a homeless (black) man who had been beaten by the son of a local police officer.
JDR13 is offline

JDR13

JDR13's Avatar
SasqWatch

#253

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Florida, US
Posts: 18,056

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 11:47
Interesting reading:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics…ing-on/1233133


People often go free under "stand your ground" in cases that seem to make a mockery of what lawmakers intended. One man killed two unarmed people and walked out of jail. Another shot a man as he lay on the ground. Others went free after shooting their victims in the back. In nearly a third of the cases the Times analyzed, defendants initiated the fight, shot an unarmed person or pursued their victim — and still went free.
GhanBuriGhan is offline

GhanBuriGhan

GhanBuriGhan's Avatar
Wose extraordinaire

#254

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,491

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 16:08
One of the jurors started giving out interviews. I agree with this jurors thoughts and while what happened was a tragedy, GZ was defending himself.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justic…html?hpt=hp_t1
Toff is offline

Toff

Toff's Avatar
Sentinel

#255

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 565

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 16:31
http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-prot…072536291.html

Protesters ran through Los Angeles streets Monday night, breaking windows, attacking people on sidewalks and at one point raiding a Wal-Mart store, while others blocked a major freeway in the San Francisco Bay Area in the third night of demonstrations in California over George Zimmerman's Florida acquittal in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.
What a crock of shit. Not sure how anyone can justify beating people up on the streets of LA over a jury verdict in Florida. MLKJr is probably rolling in his grave at the mockery these clowns are making of civil rights protests.

Sorry. No pearls of wisdom in this oyster.
Dallas Cowboys: Still afraid to hope / / Detroit Red Wings: Another rollercoaster season?
dteowner is offline

dteowner

dteowner's Avatar
Shoegazer

#256

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Indiana, USA
Posts: 11,346

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 19:05
Originally Posted by JDR13 View Post
Now you're just talking out your ass. History of starting fights? What history?

The only other time George Zimmerman had been in the news was when he rallied his community to help out a homeless (black) man who had been beaten by the son of a local police officer.
Just for once try not to be an ill informed prick, JDR.

Read the wiki on the case and Zimmerman's history, and get back to me if you have any integrity.

EDIT: Here's the wiki and the relevant bits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

In 2005, at the age of 21, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, after shoving an officer while a friend of Zimmerman's was being questioned about underage drinking. The charges were reduced, then dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiancée filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted.
"the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and waited the arrival of law enforcement or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern".
Last edited by Thrasher; July 16th, 2013 at 20:00.
Thrasher is offline

Thrasher

Thrasher's Avatar
Wheeee!
RPGWatch Donor

#257

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Studio City, CA
Posts: 10,153

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 21:47
Those are pretty weak charges.

You and I both know that "shoving a police officer" can range anywhere from actual true blue assault to simply trying to get between the officer and his friend to curtail an escalating argument. Depends on how much of an ass the cop is.

As for the restraining order, is there any charge of domestic violence actually on file?
Drithius is offline

Drithius

Drithius's Avatar
Misbegotten Alien

#258

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 2,583

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 22:17
Originally Posted by dteowner View Post
http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-prot…072536291.html



What a crock of shit. Not sure how anyone can justify beating people up on the streets of LA over a jury verdict in Florida. MLKJr is probably rolling in his grave at the mockery these clowns are making of civil rights protests.
Simple, because they are racists. They would have secretly been thrilled if a black guy shot a white thug and would have stood up for him.

The only way I can see there are so many supporters on the net is that they don't know what they are dealing with. There's millions of little thugs of all races running around in the USA, if you have to deal with it yourself a while you won't fall for the BS.

It was no nazi plot by a mexican nazi (lol), just another thug beating an innocent like happens 10,000 times a day in the USA. But this one had a gun he eventually managed to pull out. Truly, a happy ending.

Somewhere people seem to fail in their ethics today is to think that if someone is even partially "in the wrong" they deserve any bad that befalls them. You are with me or against me. People didn't used to think like this.

But thankfully legally speaking things don't work like that. You can't beat someone nearly to death because they annoyed you, and if you do you could go to jail or get shot and it's all on YOU. IE yes you actually have to have self control and are responsible for your actions, no matter how much you don't like someone.
ManWhoJaped is offline

ManWhoJaped

Keeper of the Watch

#259

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 777

Default 

July 16th, 2013, 22:23
Originally Posted by Drithius View Post
Those are pretty weak charges.

You and I both know that "shoving a police officer" can range anywhere from actual true blue assault to simply trying to get between the officer and his friend to curtail an escalating argument. Depends on how much of an ass the cop is.

As for the restraining order, is there any charge of domestic violence actually on file?
There are other reports of him starting fights, too, but can't find them ATM. This guy was a troublemaker, perhaps even a bully. Beating your girlfriend is the lowest of the low in my book, anyway.
Thrasher is offline

Thrasher

Thrasher's Avatar
Wheeee!
RPGWatch Donor

#260

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Studio City, CA
Posts: 10,153
RPGWatch Forums » General Forums » Politics, Religion & other Controversies » I love a story with a happy ending.
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT +2. The time now is 00:16.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright by RPGWatch