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August 24th, 2007, 21:57
Originally Posted by Sepulchrave View Post
Might be a possible reason Stanza can't see anything.
I usually chalk it up to horrible eyesight.

But that didn't stop me from spotting something over at Rock, Paper, Shotgun: To make up for the Moby tracks in the box, they've put the the real soundtrack up for download from 2K's site.

Hammer, anvil, forge and fire,
chase away the hoofed liar.
Roof and doorway, block and beam,
chase the Trickster from our dream.
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August 24th, 2007, 22:26
Originally Posted by Stanza View Post
I usually chalk it up to horrible eyesight.

But that didn't stop me from spotting something over at Rock, Paper, Shotgun: To make up for the Moby tracks in the box, they've put the the real soundtrack up for download from 2K's site.
Sweet - I saw that elsewhere but the URL was all messed up … I loved that music.

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August 25th, 2007, 01:42
I havent yet bought Bioshock, but as System Shock fan I wanted to. Now I hear you can install it only 2 or 5 times, is that true? I must say, if this were the case I would not buy this game. I tend to replay games, and I want to play them again, even after many years, and if the game company doesnt exist then? It does make online requests to install, right? Well, what about ppl who dont have online, does the package say it needs online connection even for normal play? I wonder.

This is a bad step in a bad direction.
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August 25th, 2007, 01:45
On the back of the box it says:

Important note: Game requires internet connection for activation.

So indeed, you have to have internet to play it at all.
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August 25th, 2007, 01:47
Originally Posted by Stanza View Post
I usually chalk it up to horrible eyesight.
Welp, that'll do it also.
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August 25th, 2007, 02:49
By the time anyone without technical issues would run into trouble regarding the limited installations there will be at the very least a dozen different hacks available on the net and quite possibly an official limitation remover utility to boot.

If anyone is refraining from buying BioShock due to philosophical reasons then that is your prerogative but don't miss out on BioShock because of actual concerns about the ability to reinstall that game at a later date because it will NOT be an issue in a few days/weeks.

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August 25th, 2007, 05:34
I had a problem and couldn't get it to go without reinstalling Windows (which would point to a problem at my end) but from the limited play I've had so far (I'm in the medical centre), this is a superior piece of gaming that (so far) is worth the $50 for even one play through.

Everyone has their own expectations, of course, but don't miss out without serious thought as to whether the group intarweb consciousness has possibly overreacted to the situation.

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August 26th, 2007, 00:19
Ken Levine is a highly sympathetic guy for me (a pity so few of such people are around, generally). An honest repsonse, as he isn't afraid to admit that they made mistakes, and even rewards the mod-maker. Sweetness.

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August 26th, 2007, 09:25
I've finished the game, and all I can really say (without spoiling the game) is that it's simply stunning.

The Securom thing was initially frustrating, mostly because my game just wouldn't activate. Once it did and I started playing all that was forgotten. This game is better value than 99% of what's out there. Now that they've lifted it to 5 activations and have a revoker forthcoming, it should really be a non-issue (as long as the activation servers stay up).

Buy the game, do it now.
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August 26th, 2007, 15:24
Stunning how? Graphically? What if I canít play a repetitive game and like diversity of action? What if I never have bought or enjoyed a FPS? Would the game be stunning to me? Compared to, say, the Northlands Trilogy is it stunning? Or just stunning compared to Doom? What if I played the demo and was not even a little impressed? Should I buy a game that failed to hook me in the demo? Isnít the game like the demo but longer?

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August 26th, 2007, 16:00
I haven't played the demo. I'm running a 6800GS, Athlon 3800 XP Venice, 2 GB RAM. So the game runs acceptably well, but I have all the graphics turned down. It's not the oohh shiney ones that make the game stunning. I love using my environment to my advantage, setting up traps etc. I love the setting and its story.

The game is not repetitive. Each level is distinctly different to the last. New concepts are regularly introduced. The story advances, you character advances, your sense of place in the gameworld advances. The action is varied, you will fight in different ways, you can focus on different abilities or weapons. You only have so much ADAM to spend on new plasmid/tonic slots or abilities.

I've not played any DOOM game, ever. I'm not much of an FPSer, the only ones I've played through are both Deus Exs, both Max Paynes, and the first Half-Life. I suppose I should give HL2 a go.

My understanding is that the game is not just a longer version of the demo.
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August 26th, 2007, 16:41
Uninstalling the Malware.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/98…-bioshock-demo
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August 27th, 2007, 00:58
Interesting read ffbj, though far too technical for me. Perhaps you should re-post the link in our tech help forum as well.

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August 27th, 2007, 17:18
Originally Posted by ffbj View Post
Uninstalling the Malware.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/98…-bioshock-demo
This looks way to technical, even for me. It would be much better, if SecuROM would make a SecuROM removal tool like Starforce did. I installed Dreamfall which uses Starforce, I then un-installed Dreamfall some timer later. And downloaded the Starforce removal tool. Presto - no sign of Starforce of the computer. I'm not saying that SecuROM is a threat to the computer, butit could be used as a carrier of virus and trojans - sometime in the future.

Right now, I'm frustrated and mad since nowhere, not in the preview or in the demo release readme, that the demo would install SecuROM software on our computer or that the demo (maybe?) only allowed us 2 (or 5) installs all together.
Or that (perhaps) there would be a time limit on the demo so that it would be null&void after a week or so…

Anyway, I keep getting the error 'you don't have access to the appropriate rights' for this program, even after a fresh download from Gamespot, yes, even, after a fresh install from Steam, the demo will not play I'm not a happy camper right now, as you can tell. If I had known about this, I would have waited untill a PC Game Magazine had the Bioshock demo…

However, I might be tempted to use the advice from Tom's Hardware just to see if it is the SecuROM files on my system that makes it so that I can't play the demo.
(since I apparently installed it 2 times to many…) If I do, would system restore point then count as 'backup of the entire system' ??
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August 28th, 2007, 00:29
I am not sure that when people speak of backing up your entire system they are referring to a restore point. If so why not just say that?. Personally I am avoiding this, including the Demo until the questions are resolved. I know that does not help you in the least since you already tried to install and play the demo. I know that the game requires internet activation to play, that is a given. Not sure that this is also required just to play the demo. Posted link in the Tech Forum as suggested. The appropriate rights usually refers to admin privileges which you may have to enable. Yes installing multiple times would cause the game not too work.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/590/Changi…P-User-Account

Also some info in the video describes the problem you are having as to the dismay of the announcers when they tried multiple installs:

http://www.twitchguru.com/site/flash…m_problem.html
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August 28th, 2007, 04:55
The most complete synopsis of events thus-far also from twitchguru:

http://www.twitchguru.com/2007/08/27/bioshock_drm/

Part of the conclusion:
"There's no question, however, that the issues surrounding SecuROM have triggered a badly botched launch for an early contender for game of the year. In fact, this may go down as the worst fumble in PC game launch history. To its credit, 2K Games has made efforts to be accountable for the mess; rather than ignore the incensed PC gaming community, people like Levine and Tobey attempted to answer questions and resolve the issues (even though some statements proved to be false and misleading)."

Yes. I would call it a fiasco.
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August 28th, 2007, 10:59
In fact, this may go down as the worst fumble in PC game launch history.
That is just laughable - talk about (comparatively) much ado about nothing.

This game is polished, complete, installs correctly, works perfectly on most hardware and is one of the best freakin' games in recent years.

Because people are wearing tinfoil hats it has suddenly become 'teh w0rstest g4me launch EVAR'?!?!

Yeah, sure.

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August 28th, 2007, 11:26
In fact, this may go down as the worst fumble in PC game launch history.

I think that honor still belongs to Gothic 3 for now.
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August 28th, 2007, 15:20
I believe this as well.
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August 28th, 2007, 15:32
Originally Posted by JDR13 View Post
In fact, this may go down as the worst fumble in PC game launch history.

I think that honor still belongs to Gothic 3 for now.
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