Arguing back and forth isn't going to get anywhere with you guys, that much is obvious. So, I'll let you all have the last word and we can go our separate ways
Please, spare us the 'holier than thou' routine.
Arguing back and forth isn't going to get anywhere with you guys, that much is obvious. So, I'll let you all have the last word and we can go our separate ways
Yeah, I don't think there's really that much of an argument here - we pretty much all agree (including Mr. Fry) that piracy is bad, and a problem, to some degree.
My point is just that it's not correctly described as theft, because no one is being deprived of an object that they already possess. I think the media industry's "you wouldn't steal a car" campaign is just absurd and overblown.
Piracy is essentially a violation of a contract, in which someone is not receiving their agreed due. That is not a good thing, and obviously bad news if everyone were to do it.
I'm not actually sure it's a bad thing, though. It's just the way it is now.
It's like alcohol prohibition to me. People still obtained alcohol no matter what the government tried to do to stop it. [
Actually, yeah, it is. The simple fact is that the game is owned by other people. You can't have it for free. END OF STORY. It doesn't matter if it's "tangible." It doesn't matter if you can't afford it. It doesn't matter if they've already started work on some DLC. It doesn't matter if some other platform got it first. It doesn't matter if some other country got it first. It doesn't matter if the game has DRM on it or not. It doesn't matter if they took some feature away during development. It doesn't matter if there's a linux version. And so on and so forth.Oh good lord.
Right, it's just that simple. No need for discussion at all!
If you want to dislike something on Fluent join my side. I can't persuade myself to like the fact he never finished The Last Remnant - and I bought that bloody game because of him!
Please, spare us the 'holier than thou' routine.
Errr… Who exactly is bigger catholic than pope here?
This is still alive?
- Thievery is thievery and as such is wrong thing to do.
I usually don't engage in discussions online when it's clear that others minds won't be changed
Sure, but speeding isn't drunk driving. It's as though someone were to accuse a man who punched them of theft, was corrected in being told this is not theft, then went on raving that people who say that support thieves.
Piracy for personal use is not theft, it's a form violation of copyright which is legally and practically distinct. This is not a distinction without a difference as it lacks the denial of use component that accompanies theft - and therefore a significant element (the most concrete one) of harm to a victim of theft is absent. It's also a meaningful distinction because one is usually a civil tort while the other is a crime (though some legal systems do classify simple piracy as a crime as well, they correctly classify it as an offense distinct from theft).
Yes, it's wrong. Lighting up a cigarette in a private establishment despite the owner's protestation would be wrong too, but you don't call it "arson" just because it sounds worse. It would make you an asshole, possibly guilty of something specific depending on jurisdiction, but certainly not an arsonist.
I think after a year I like Skyrim.
Even though your correct that it's more of a violation of copyright protection it is considered theft of intellectual property.
That's why the FBI calls it intellectual property theft and it can carry criminal charges to the tune of up to 5 years in jail and a $250,000 fine.
Sounds like a little more than speeding or smoking where you shouldn't.
Much like speeding and smoking where you shouldn't though, it's almost impossible to enforce.
Therefore we will have to endure DRM, always on connections, activations, etc because people can't simply do what the were probably taught when they were 3…
Don't take things that don't belong to you.