Age of Decadence - Review @ WeGotThisCovered

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Joseph Banham (WeGotThisCovered) has reviewed Age of Decadence:

The Age Of Decadence Review

Ah yes, RPGs. A genre full of fantasy and breathtaking battles, of epic heroes on epic quests, and of magic and monsters. RPGs are the type of games where you can separate yourself from the harsh realities of life and immerse yourself in a far off realm, becoming a legendary warrior of sheer awesomeness – right? Well, no actually, at least not according to the folks at Iron Tower Studio.

The team have just released the full version of The Age Of Decadence (after having spent years in development and early access), an isometric RPG for Windows that promises to take the genre back to its hardcore roots. As the title suggests, the world portrayed in The Age Of Decadence is one that’s in complete disarray. It is based around the Roman-era, where the cities are still in ruin after a devastating ancient war. Society has collapsed, with different guilds and Houses in conflict with one another, struggling to establish any real order. The world has become overrun with corruption, criminals, and violence.

That’s where you come in. The game lets you choose your role in this crumbling dystopia from one of ten classes. As the entire experience is constructed on having multiple scenarios dictated by what choices the player makes, who you choose to play as is extremely important. From assassin, to thief, to loremaster, whomever you choose will have an impact on the way you play the game and whom you encounter on your journey.

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It has to be handed to lead designer Vince D. Weller for writing such a well thought out, complex universe. The amount of detail that has gone into fleshing out the cities’ whole history with their own lore and interwoven backstories is astounding; the sheer length of the numerous paragraphs are enough to rival the depth of George R.R. Martin’s work. As mentioned before, you need to play as each class in order to get the full picture, with each character’s journey giving new insights into the world and its inhabitants. The more I played, the more I found myself wanting to discover all the ins and outs of the world.

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For those willing to delve in and spend a lot of time with The Age Of Decadence, the game will reward you with a rich, story-driven experience. As there are a multitude of so many different paths to go down, the length is very extensive. After spending twenty hours with the game, I still feel as though I have a ton of roads to take, different people to interact with and loads of achievements left to unlock, and I am looking forward to adventuring on.

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At times, the game feels like a blunt morality lesson about the consequences of violence; when the opening message says that combat isn’t always the answer, they really mean it. It’s a game that’s almost nihilistic in its tone, expressing a very pessimistic view of the human race as a load of lying scumbags who can’t be trusted, and that if you ever want to make it in an immoral world, the only person you can trust is yourself.

Score: 3.5/5 - Good

Although its unforgiving difficulty may only appeal to a minority, as well as being tarnished with out-dated graphics, The Age of Decadence is still admirable for what it aims to achieve, offering an impressively deep storytelling experience for anyone willing to invest the time required.
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It is a good game but indeed it is very nihilistic, and people who try to hold on to divine faith are depicted as fools and maniacs who believe in lies. The holy town is depicted as a hellhole where people are crucified for breathing too heavily. And the only "good" people are pretty much those who only think to get as much as possible for themselves. It's not surprising considering that Vince himself holds such views.

3.5 is too harsh, I'd say 4.0. It could go to 4.5 with a bit more content because the game ends in an anti-climatic way and you are sent back to the title screen and thinking there should be a lot more to it. I understand the limitations of a low-budget game but still.
 
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It is a good game but indeed it is very nihilistic, and people who try to hold on to divine faith are depicted as fools and maniacs who believe in lies. The holy town is depicted as a hellhole where people are crucified for breathing too heavily. And the only "good" people are pretty much those who only think to get as much as possible for themselves. It's not surprising considering that Vince himself holds such views.


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I'd say his comment is on topic considering the linked review states "It’s a game that’s almost nihilistic in its tone".
 
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I don't mind playing nihilistic games, if they are actually worth playing... :)

By the way, there was an interesting discussion about Japanese RPG stories in another thread, and I forgot to mention there this head-scratching observation:
In many Japanese RPGs, doubting faith and religion (even doubting The Man Himself Up Above) is quite a common occurrence - yet these games are not considered "nihilistic", in fact many of'em are considered "kiddie" games (Breath of Fire II?).

OK, enough of my pointless ramblings, gotta go back playing AoD :D
 
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The more I'm reading about both AoD and SCL (the two big new titles this month that I was thinking to buy) the less I'm finding myself interested. It's looking like SCL is just that bit too childish and AoD is just that bit too dedicated to not being childish enough for either of them to qualify as adequate entertainment.

I'm still waiting to hear more on both I suppose. I see lots of people talking but it's mostly either hypetrian positives or negatives. Some spoiler-free bits and pieces are slowly dripping in, but nothing that's making me get in a concrete positive buy frame of mind.

Since this is the AoD thread, maybe someone who's played it fresh (sorry Pladio, but excluding you as you've been playing it for ages and I've already read everything you have to say about it, more than once) can spend a paragraph or two explaining why it's so captivating (if it is) without spoilers? Is it a game which motivates you to wax lyrical about it?
 
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can spend a paragraph or two explaining why it's so captivating (if it is) without spoilers? Is it a game which motivates you to wax lyrical about it?

I'm playing it for about an epic 20 minutes so far....
So, here are my 1st sight, gut reactions:

+ Surprisingly playable on old hardware (3 year old netbook, yaaay!)...
- ...Yet ugly (even on high quality settings)

+ Very deep character stats / skills / talents / traits / perks / whatever....
- ...That are a nightmare for newbies. This is a game that you'll start over and over again until you get the drift

+ Interesting and original lore...
- ... Which is actually presented as endless walls of text (you like reading, don't you?)

+ Very tactical battle system (reminds me of an oldie called Knights of Lore)
- ... Which is unforgiving (you are a masochist, don't you?)

+ Lots of equipment, alchemy, etc
- ... That are very convoluted, and frankly, I hate the dress-up part of RPGs anyway.

Sooo, it is pretty average so far. Good old fashioned RPG that does not fear busting your balls every now and then.

BUT STILL! My personal hook is that I feel that my actions DO matter somehow, and I'm very curious about the long-term choices & consequences system everyone is talking about.

So, I'm pretty optimistic about this game, and willing to spend a lot of time playing it.
 
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Thanks for the point-by-points, it was helpful, but I'm more interested in general emotional responses, hence the wax lyrical. Your text, like most I'm reading, are dry, factual expressions rather than abstract feelings. I guess, as you conclude, the essence of the reaction will be the joy or disappointment with how the C&C actually plays out and whether you feel enthralled by the end-screen. Whether you do or indeed do not end up deciding to spend a long time playing it or whether it's a one-time high.
 
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@lackblogger - I found it interesting, but it also felt like a chore. I chose a non-combat build and was done in < 8 hours. I think I just found a fast route throgh the game and it ended abruptly. I oftenfelt like the choice were quite rigid. I liked the text/setting/lore, but I missed any real exploration, and any real sense of immersion (you simply teleported from scenario tro scenario) . I noted this elsewhere, but at times I felt like I was playing a souped up Interactive Fiction experience. Not my cup of tea. So interesting, but in my case at least, not particularly enjoyable. Certainly didn't give me the buzz that playing older cRPGs like BG etc, or newer tactical ones like D:OS gave me. Thsoe I could not stop playing.
 
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...rather than abstract feelings.

Yup, so true. I'm very verbal in real life, so I compensate this... this... defect of mine with terse prose. :)

Anyway, this is what I used to say: if a paperback book is longer than, say 300 pages, then I consider it as a crime against the reader (Sorry Mr Tolkien and Mr King, heh-heh)

:D
 
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Any idea whether the GOG version has been updated yet?
See, that's the one thing I miss, some sort of version history on GOG: what version you're on, when which version went live, etc. It's all so obfuscated.

Fyi, that info is more accessible in GOG Galaxy.
 
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The more I'm reading about both AoD and SCL (the two big new titles this month that I was thinking to buy) the less I'm finding myself interested. It's looking like SCL is just that bit too childish and AoD is just that bit too dedicated to not being childish enough for either of them to qualify as adequate entertainment.

I'm still waiting to hear more on both I suppose. I see lots of people talking but it's mostly either hypetrian positives or negatives. Some spoiler-free bits and pieces are slowly dripping in, but nothing that's making me get in a concrete positive buy frame of mind.

Since this is the AoD thread, maybe someone who's played it fresh (sorry Pladio, but excluding you as you've been playing it for ages and I've already read everything you have to say about it, more than once) can spend a paragraph or two explaining why it's so captivating (if it is) without spoilers? Is it a game which motivates you to wax lyrical about it?

:D

One thing. Try the demo.
 
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What the hell is SCL? You guys and your damn acronyms…

Nevermind...Sword Coast Legends
 
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@lackblogger: if you want opinions from new players, you'll have more (lots) of luck with the Steam reviews. Dozens of new reviews have gone up since final release. Despite all the flak Steam forums get, I feel like people are mostly fair, except the ones who say the combat is 'broken'. That's simply a case of people who haven't dedicated the time to learn it.
 
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What the hell is SCL? You guys and your damn acronyms…

So what would you prefer? "Leisure Suit Larry 3: Passionate Patti in Pursuit of the Pulsating Pectorals" or LSL3? :biggrin:

TLOTR:TBFMEII-TROTWK anybody?
 
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