Gothic 3 The smiths of Nordmar

Ok im doing the quests for the ore smelter where you gotta find and get all the other smiths from the Wolf Clan, fire clan and Hammer clan (outside village) to approve your entrance.

my question is...Where the hell are they?

ive scoured nordmar and ive even used some of the player maps. I did not find the smiths ( but i did find the white ripper and white shadowbeast). can anyone be of assitance please?

The fire clan smith is in a dead end somewhere below the fire clan, threatened by orcs.

The wolf clan smith is on a merry march towards some ore deposit and usually the hardest to find since he is moving.

If you teleport as soon as you get the quest you can even follow the smiths as they walk to where they are going. It's best if you don't talk to them before they get to where they are going though as it may influence the quest (although I managed to talk to the guy as he was just leaving town and I got credit for "helping" him.