Prime Junta said:
Problem is that doesn't work in RL either, as women base relationships on intimacy, which men rarely have a grasp on. I.e ever hear of women staying with men/husbands/boyfriends that abuse them, even when friends, family, medical and law enforcement warn them?
Women measure themselves by their relationships and if Abby, according to my game was born and raised there, at often times it dire emotional situations like what happened in the game which force people to change.
(2) When the girl came to buy poison from her, she could have talked to her. Asked what's happened. Had a good cry with her
Again you don't know that didn't happen anymore than you know didn't happen.
(3) When asked to give up Alvin to the Reverend
You can't expect her to know everything you think you know, especially since it didn't happen.
(4) With Odo and his brother..
Say, what? Odo killed her lover and quite possibly fiance, since the drunk ass DAR said she was trying to take all his money, i.e by marrying.
fatBastard() said:
What Abigail sold the young girl was made for humans, ergo Abigail KNEW this was to be used to kill a human being
No way, where you get that info?
Only a really incompetent healer would mistake ..........
No one said she mistook anything, only offering possible realistic alternatives which have as much validity as your conjectures. The fact is that she could have come asking for poison with no intention of explaining or asking for Abby's advice. As I also mentioned it's much more likely given Abby's obvious respect for life since there is no evidence she ever took a life, unlike all the peoples whom are know to be guilty accusations.
Abigail KNEW what she sold the poor girl and she KNEW what it was to be used for.
Objection, Conjecture.
1) It wasn't necessary.......2) It would serve no purpose.
Where could she have run, how much money did she have, how many people did she have a choice to run to, how long would it take to get there and which was more dangerous route to take based on the money she had, means of travel?
skavenhorde said:
Anyways, it was a bad joke I have many of them and most of the time people don't get them
Hehe, not so actually very funny.
can't justify her actions there.
Problem is nether can they justify her being able to leave, afaik no one knows what happened, there maybe the Reverend tricked her so he could get another kid to sacrifice for the salamandra. Actually it's the most likely senerio given what we know about each of the NPCs, so they are mostly just trying to justify lynching a her with no evidence.
Prime Junta said:
I believe that if there's one lesson great religious thinkers.......
That's most likely because you are an educated male, which she obviously didn't have the luxury of a formal education, while trying to dodge rapist, kidnappers and murderers. So even though you are well educated and have a good grasp of philosophy's nature of good and evil, you can't expect someone whom doesn't to act as you think they should. Not to mention you really don't seem to be accounting for the reality of the times portrayed, i.e. medieval times, woman traveling alone, most likely unable to defend herself or anyone to help her escape, those are realities, even today, in many places around the world.
So, in order to qualify as unambiguously "good," Abigail
Only if you were Abby.
I believe it's the latter.
Or as most people whom don't have control over most of how their life plays out, she did the best she could as an abused female, managing to learn a skill that also helped her defend herself and make enough money to survive.
*she could have asked.* That's all. "Ilsa, what's this poison for?
Maybe she did, which is as accurate and true as you saying she didn't, therefore conjecture, so even you conclusion is baseless.
Genocide is justifiable in some ethical frameworks.
None based on any type of Humanity, and certainly not one that has been verifiable as so, which makes it based on delusion.
ultimately the slaughter of everyone in the village.
Actually that turned out to be not true. In my last game, it seemed so weird so I went and checked every previously inhabited house, which did have some people, so the mob was only part of the village, even Abby is back at her hut.
skavenhorde said:
This thread sorta took on a life of its own concerning Abby being evil and hey ACE what happend to you, I thought I was backing up your theory
Sorry about that, I was away for a few days and only checked new article for the 5 or 10 minutes I had free and btw your doing a great job, as an example it took me 30 minutes for the first post to catch up and another 30 for this second post still with 3 more post to reply to.
Hehe, wait till you see the next thread.
HiddenX said:
If I see someone (X) doing something (Y).........
Exactly and nicely put.
maybe even my personal value system is wrong and I have too adjust and learn.
Nope not at all you have a good system, because you can provide individual adaptive analysis.
The long discussion about Abby proves, that the developers of the Witcher did everything right. They created a wonderful ambiguous character, so that the players have to use their brain (value system!) to rate her.
That's true and I am beginning to think, their biggest mistake was using the wrong engine for a game design based on more non loading open world like Gothic, which would have allowed all their scripted scenes without the constantly forced loading for every little scenario or house.
Corwin said:
PS-T tried to address some of them!!
Damn fine game, too bad we haven't had a graphics upgrade, which would let so many other people whom don't have any idea what or how good it was.
Cm said:
sign of immersion into the world of The Witcher
Very true, but it's still hard to beat immersed women in chocolate!
It's nice to start over now that I have finished, with so many things to look out for after our debates.