Cyanide Studios - A Game of Thrones RPG

So what did you expect from Blood Bowl, miracles? If you're a veteran at the game, used to playing against human minds who are also veterans, how do you expect Cyanide to build an AI that can beat you? C'mon now.

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If me then I can tell you until this game I never played Blood Bowl before except for that horrible dos game made years ago. I hate football so I never had any inclination to waste my time or money on it.

That changed once I played this game. I really do like it a lot and wish I had bought the board game now, but the biggest flaw in this game is its AI.

Even without knowing all kinds of strategies it didn't take me very long to start kicking this games butt every single time. If they just made that dang AI a little bit smarter I would have been happy because right now I only know two strategies for my Skaven team. That's the turtle where I wall up my thrower and get guys down field and the run like crazy dodging past everyone strategy ;)

@Rune74 Excellent point. I can't vouch for the second GC game, but the first one is amazing. I don't believe I've ever faced off against a smarter AI.

Edit: It just occurred to me that one way they could have made the AI better was if the AI took more care in dealing with my gutter runners. I've played online and almost every time they knew my gutter runners were the scoring machines and took that threat into consideration. The AI doesn't.
 
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Talking to me or nukester?

If me then I can tell you until this game I never played Blood Bowl before except for that horrible dos game made years ago. I hate football so I never had any inclination to waste my time or money on it.

That changed once I played this game. I really do like it a lot and wish I had bought the board game now, but the biggest flaw in this game is its AI.

Even without knowing all kinds of strategies it didn't take me very long to start kicking this games butt every single time. If they just made that dang AI a little bit smarter I would have been happy because right now I only know two strategies for my Skaven team. That's the turtle where I wall up my thrower and get guys down field and the run like crazy dodging past everyone strategy ;)

@Rune74 Excellent point. I can't vouch for the second GC game, but the first one is amazing. I don't believe I've ever faced off against a smarter AI.

Edit: It just occurred to me that one way they could have made the AI better was if the AI took more care in dealing with my gutter runners. I've played online and almost every time they knew my gutter runners were the scoring machines and took that threat into consideration. The AI doesn't.

A note on stardock and GC as well as elemental...they are currently trying to relaunch elemental under the name elemental fallen enchantress, they hired a few guys to help out with that one being the guy behind that Civ4 fantasy mod fall from heaven 2...it looks like they have learned a valuable lesson and have done something I think is commendable in the fact they are actually getting a game to where they want to instead of abandoning the project.
 
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I don't think you can compare a game like Blood Bowl to a strategy game like Galactic Civilizations when it comes to AI. All it requires is calculations used to determine movements in something like GC for the AI to defeat a human player. (similar to chess) What I understand about Blood Bowl (the one from Cyanide) it would require an AI that could predict human real time movements in which the human could change it up at any time which would be much harder to do by the AI then what is needed for something like GC.

PS. If Blood Bowl was turn based it would be a much different story and the AI would be much better.
 
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I don't think you can compare a game like Blood Bowl to a strategy game like Galactic Civilizations when it comes to AI. All it requires is calculations used to determine movements in something like GC for the AI to defeat a human player. (similar to chess) What I understand about Blood Bowl (the one from Cyanide) it would require an AI that could predict human real time movements in which the human could change it up at any time which would be much harder to do by the AI then what is needed for something like GC.

PS. If Blood Bowl was turn based it would be a much different story and the AI would be much better.

Um, blood bowl can be played turn based...I think the majority did play it that way.
 
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Which skills are broken? I'm just curious since I still play that from time to time and haven't noticed any that are broken.

The only aspect of Blood Bowl that I would like improved is the AI. Maybe it's asking too much for a decent AI with this type of game, but it would be nice to be able to play the computer and not totally own them in every way possible.

For me there are enough skills and teams to interest me in this game for quite a while.

Too much for me to type, but you may have seem this before:
http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=21415

The AI in the original was way too easy, so to try and fix that in the Legendary version all they pretty much did was make it so AI team players dont get injured. Not getting injured in a Blood Bowl game ? Thats crazy :) (or at least the injuries dont carry over from game to game). As I said, its an ok game, but I was still a little disapointed in the overall quality
 
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Woa, a lot of talking points.

@Brother None: Martin's novels getting worse? Can't see that. Thought that the final chapters of the last book were so bloody fantastic that I literally found myself standig right up in bed reading it. The only thing that changes is the reader himself. He is getting better at the guessing game that reading Martin's novels turn into after some time. The reader can only be suprised by the most unorthodoxal thing to happen in a novel so many times. After that he gets jaded and tries to guess which plot twist is coming at ya. It is still fun, but not to compare with the feeling of something really huge going on in the first novels.

@everybody who slams WoT: Giving up reading the series? No friggin way. Okay, Jordan felt the need to add layer on layer of ideas into his novels while the complexity and his writing couldn't keep up, but ... Jordans and Martins ideas have more in common than Martin's followers would ever admit. It is just the narrative structure, the cynical undertone and the feeling of Godfather in in the low-fantasy middle ages that makes the Song books better - but they are not unique.

@everybody who slams Goodkind: Have collecting SoT novels for some time, but didn't read them yet. Why is he worse than Jordan? Is he more "bloated" than Brooks? I even could enjoy his stuff. My personal line is crossed with Hickman, Zimmer-Bradly and those kind of authors.

@everybody who slams Cyanide for Loki: I think it is not fair to compare a low key, low budget Diablo clone with this very ambitioned project. I always give European devs the favor of hope that I have lost for most of the North American developers.
 
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I am waiting for the next book in the series for some years now … A Dance of Dragons

That's funny - because a good friend and I were writing last year tiny fragments about actually dancing dragons ...
 
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Cyanide is not know for learning about their mistakes. Their games are usually utter bullshit, they have their priorities completely wrong and the fact that the graphics are relatively pretty looking on the screenshots is a thing to worry about.

Have you played ALL of them ?

The football games, too ?

I'm onto the Discworld novels now and have about 20 left that I absolutely have to hunt down. The last one I read was Mort and I never laughed so hard. I literally was in tears for about 10 minutes and couldn't stop giggling for about an hour after that. God that man has a way with words and looking at the world that is just amazingly funny.

His later books are very, very dark, too. Especial the "Monstrous Regiment".
 
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@everybody who slams Goodkind: Have collecting SoT novels for some time, but didn't read them yet. Why is he worse than Jordan? Is he more "bloated" than Brooks?

Even worse- it's just stupid writing. He is so far up Ayn Rand's ass, that the entire series starts to feel like a giant propaganda piece. He pushes his anti-socialism manifesto so far that it just rips you out of the story line. Example: a society where one person in ten is working, just because the rest are all lazy, and the government takes so much food and money from the productive worker, to redistribute to the "lazy masses", that the worker doesn't have the energy (read: calories) to continue being productive. Just stupid, stupid crap. Did I mention stupid? It's too bad, because he's not a bad writer, otherwise.
 
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@everybody who slams Cyanide for Loki: I think it is not fair to compare a low key, low budget Diablo clone with this very ambitioned project. I always give European devs the favor of hope that I have lost for most of the North American developers.

I do there track record speaks for itself. They have a bad reputation.I have Little interest in there projects but who knows they may surprise you.

@everybody who slams Goodkind: Have collecting SoT novels for some time, but didn't read them yet. Why is he worse than Jordan? Is he more "bloated" than Brooks?

I'm not slamming him there good books that have a terrible ending that's never given a proper conclusion. Robert Jordan s Wheel Of Time on the other hand was a jumbled mess with to many characters.
 
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I prefer WoT to A Song of Ice and Fire, mainly because of the setting and certain characters. I also like the magic system a lot.

Anyway, I don't have too high hopes for this RPG, but I'll pay attention to it for now.
 
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Even worse- it's just stupid writing. He is so far up Ayn Rand's ass, that the entire series starts to feel like a giant propaganda piece. He pushes his anti-socialism manifesto so far that it just rips you out of the story line. Example: a society where one person in ten is working, just because the rest are all lazy, and the government takes so much food and money from the productive worker, to redistribute to the "lazy masses", that the worker doesn't have the energy (read: calories) to continue being productive. Just stupid, stupid crap. Did I mention stupid? It's too bad, because he's not a bad writer, otherwise.

Good catch, Santos, because I never really saw that until you pointed it out. My biggest problems with the SoT books is how melodramatic and maudlin they get. Richard is constantly pissing and moaning about Kahlan, and Kahlan is constantly hand-wringing over whether or not she can truly be with Richard. Then Kahlan goes off and gets captured, Richard comes in a rescues her, they have 5 minutes of intense passion, after which he gets captured, or has to leave, or they forget who they are, or one thinks the other is cheating, but they're really not - it's all just an act to protect the one who's hurt...

In short, the books make you feel angry at how retarded all the characters are.
 
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You're spot on with Richard and Kahlan, but I loved Zed. I'm a sucker for the goofy old wizard stereotype.
 
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You're spot on with Richard and Kahlan, but I loved Zed. I'm a sucker for the goofy old wizard stereotype.

Watch the series. It's worth it just for Bruce Spence having a ball playing Zed. It also focuses more on the world and events than on the melodramatic nonsense. Kahlan and Richard are bland as hell but those characters are lost causes anyway. The guy who plays Darken Rahl does a great job though. Campy but good series. Typical Raimi stuff.
 
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