) hope it doesn't turn sour as I was saying…
I don't know how many RTwP games you've seen since NWN2 and Drakensang. Compare them to the number of TB games that have popped up since the last two years. I don't think there is a shortage of TB games.
My feeling atm is that I backed them too much. I even increased my pledge, but at the moment I don't feel I get the game I hoped for and I should have saved my money for PE instead. It's not InXile's fault alone, they never said it would be RTwP or TB, Colin only wrote they would tend to RTwP. But the lesson for me is, I'm not goin to back a game in the future whose combat system I don't know for sure. My guess is, that this will be the last game from InXile that I paid up front. It seems they tend towards a type of games I don't like. Lesson learned, I had only hoped it wouldn't have been Torment to teach me.
I wouldn't say it was that bad. For me, the lesson of PsT was, that avoiding combat is always the best choice. The game rewarded you for being witty, you got more insight. On the downside it punished you for being a pure fighter. On the other hand, in most crpgs being witty is just a stat check and EXP/special item reward that helps you during the next battle/s, but nothing substantial, because it would hurt fighter aficionados too much. That's typical D&D grindhouse style of political correctness. I don't think any developer is able to create a whole game for two different styles of gameplay (combat/wits), just the same as they can't really create different experiences for bad or good characters. The only game in the past that succeeded in the good/bad area was Mysteries of Westgate, and the result was it had two completely different end game scenarios including different narrations, areas, quests, puzzles and boss fights. That's too much of an effort for a whole game.
Yeah, that's quite obvious. They definitely discussed a lot about turn-based combat and found a lot of reasons for it. In comparison, arguments for RTwP clearly fall short of and their example doesn't really sound that interesting. If I wouldn't be committed from the beginning, from what is written TB is definitely offering more of a vision. But my guess is, most of the design is already predetermined to fit best with TB. The combat system is such an elemental thing that also influences area and quest design. You can't create a concept that fits both the same. So even if you don't decide actively for TB or RTwP the rest of your design concept is clearly going to lead into a specific direction. I think it is a subliminal process and determined by the preferences of the designers. The red/blue automata example simply does not work for RTwP, at least it can't offer a new experience that you haven't seen before. The TB solution sounds a little bit more like an innovation. That doesn't mean there is no other way that could fit better for RTwP. But you would need to begin from the scratch.
Well first of all thanks for the reply, and as for combat I don't mind either one.
I don't, but it doesn't make me feel better. No offense, Thomas. Good luck anyway.
Already mentioned earlier in the thread, but the original Kickstarter description (under "Why now?" section) for Torment said that the game wouldn't enter production until Wasteland 2 was done.
