JemyM
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Rossrjensen, you aren't showing any signs of grasping what you talk about so I do wonder where and when you got your grades. I wonder if your grade is from a patriotic university during the Cold War because that would explain a bit.
You seem to not understand Communism despite quoting the Wikipedia definition. Yes, communism aims to establish a classless, moneyless and stateless society. This is the crux. In this society there are no ownership, everything is shared and owned by the community.
Communism have always failed due to it's core misjudgment on human behavior. It assumed that all problems came from a corrupt government that wasn't neccessary, if the government was taken down all would live in peace and harmony. In reality, as soon as there was a revolution it ended up in a new dictarship, often with an almost religious character. It also assumed that if people work for the state and got what they need, all would be ok. That didn't work either for plenty of reasons, most importantly the need for autonomy to be well.
Communism have nothing to do with anything you said about the recent president. There have never been any talk about a revolution or abolishing government or ownership.
Welfare programs - nothing to do with communism.
Redistribution of wealth - nothing to do with communism.
Increased taxes - nothing to do with communism.
All of what you claimed to be communism were ideas within the young liberalism, even Wealth of Nations by the father of Capitalism himself believed it was neccessary for distribution of wealth for capitalism to work.
The ideas that these had anything to do with communism or that these were signs of communism was invented in the US during the Cold War and that's the only place you can find such ideas.
When it comes to George Bush he fulfills a couple of points on "The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism" but a couple of points isn't enough and if you have to stretch your imagination and seek vague examples that may prove most of them then you are simply doing a mindgame.
Finally calling them Authoritarianism is a stretch of the word. Neither had any real impact on social autonomy.
You seem to not understand Communism despite quoting the Wikipedia definition. Yes, communism aims to establish a classless, moneyless and stateless society. This is the crux. In this society there are no ownership, everything is shared and owned by the community.
Communism have always failed due to it's core misjudgment on human behavior. It assumed that all problems came from a corrupt government that wasn't neccessary, if the government was taken down all would live in peace and harmony. In reality, as soon as there was a revolution it ended up in a new dictarship, often with an almost religious character. It also assumed that if people work for the state and got what they need, all would be ok. That didn't work either for plenty of reasons, most importantly the need for autonomy to be well.
Communism have nothing to do with anything you said about the recent president. There have never been any talk about a revolution or abolishing government or ownership.
Welfare programs - nothing to do with communism.
Redistribution of wealth - nothing to do with communism.
Increased taxes - nothing to do with communism.
All of what you claimed to be communism were ideas within the young liberalism, even Wealth of Nations by the father of Capitalism himself believed it was neccessary for distribution of wealth for capitalism to work.
The ideas that these had anything to do with communism or that these were signs of communism was invented in the US during the Cold War and that's the only place you can find such ideas.
When it comes to George Bush he fulfills a couple of points on "The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism" but a couple of points isn't enough and if you have to stretch your imagination and seek vague examples that may prove most of them then you are simply doing a mindgame.
1. Powerful and continuing nationalism (flags, mottos, slogans, everywhere all the time)
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights (human rights can be ignored because of "need")
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military (even to the neglect of widespread domestic problems)
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession With National Security
8. Religion and government are Intertwined (the most common religion is used to as a tool to manipulate public opinion)
9. Corporate power is protected
10. Labor power is suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption (governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other
14. Fraudulent Elections (sham elections, smear campaigns, legislation to control districts, media manipulation)
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights (human rights can be ignored because of "need")
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military (even to the neglect of widespread domestic problems)
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession With National Security
8. Religion and government are Intertwined (the most common religion is used to as a tool to manipulate public opinion)
9. Corporate power is protected
10. Labor power is suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption (governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other
14. Fraudulent Elections (sham elections, smear campaigns, legislation to control districts, media manipulation)
Finally calling them Authoritarianism is a stretch of the word. Neither had any real impact on social autonomy.
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