Why Does BG2 Break Quests?

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Spoiler Warning!

I did De'Arnise Keep last night and hit the basement before the drawbridge. I had the flail heads. I killed Torgal and was "rewarded" by BG2 as follows:
- deny me the ability to clear the roof
- deny me the ability to forge the flail
- deny me 29K XP for the drawbridge
- deny me the Golem treasure

Basically I got completely penalized and screwed by the non linear design. Worse I'll have to completely redo the manor the "way Bioware wants it done properly". Such bs!
 
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I remember being annoyed with the exact same reason, lucky for Bioware, I was so in love with the game by then :biggrin: just one quest though, I don't remember other quests like that.
 
Well it looks like I was able to make the Flail after all. My THAC0 rises with it though and the damage rating is not improved vs my sword. Glad I didn't have to redo everything just to find that out! If I try to go to the courtyard or roof the game transitions.
 
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Thanks. I also was able to take out the golems and I needed the flail for that. I used speed to get the other weapons before the Golems could react. They were all +3 weapons or better but only the flail would hit the iron Golem? Why is that? The +3 war hammer should have worked no?
 
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How did you get all +3 weapons or better before the De'Arniss keep? There are very few +3 weapons (or better) in all of BG2 and like half of them are behind the Iron Golem you tried to kill.
 
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It's EE. The golems are mindless. First I killed the small golems one by one. Then using speed I raced in and grabbed the weapons. The Iron Golem can't fit through the door so I was back through it before the Iron Golem could react. There is a +3 hammer, +3 Axe and +4 longbow in that room. I identified the weapons and went back for the Iron Golem. I thought the hammer would work if not the axe as well. Only the Flail works however.
 
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The hammer in the golem room is supposed to be a +1 war hammer (+4 against Giantkin). The bow and axes are supposed to be +3 and they should work on the Golem. I personally usually kill it with Lilarcor though.
 
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I took on the manor right off the bat so all I had going into the quest was the +2 Sword of Chaos. The Umbers and Troll boss battles were a bit difficult. I didn't realize that the quest wasn't intended for that early on. Not a lot of guidance in this game. Nalia was really insistent!
 
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ToddMcF2002 said:
I didn't realize that the quest wasn't intended for that early on. Not a lot of guidance in this game. Nalia was really insistent!
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I agree, and that's one of the few things I didn't like about BG2. After you exit the initial dungeon, you quickly accumulate a lot of sidequests that give no indication of how difficult they are, and there's really no way of knowing what order they should be tackled without looking at a guide.

Is this actually your first time playing BG2?
 
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Oh the quest is supposed to be done that early, the Iron Golem is optional and you can fetch the stuff in the room without having to deal with him.
 
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It's not the first time I've started BG2. I've made it a bit beyond the point I'm at now. Last night I completed the Jaheira curse quest and killed all the slavers. But I'm on a different path this time it seems. Last time I did part of the manor but left to farm some XP and strengthen the party. I ended up in the sewers, got annoyed and quit for years. I was fresh off the heels of BG1 last time and I had little patience left. I'm more committed this time!
 
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Nice to hear you're playing this mega-gem of an RPG, Todd! The BG series are top RPGs, for sure.

I would suggest, though, maybe not being so determined to complete everything. It's okay if you can't clear the roof or whatever, just play it naturally and keep it moving. :)

I actually missed the flail all together in that level, and couldn't return later to forge it. So, I cheated it and added it via a console command. Had I played it today, I wouldn't have even done that (would have just lived with the consequences). :)

Have fun!
 
Hey Fluent long time no err... see. Yeah BG1 and BG2 have always been on my must play list. Like Thrasher I have always had a completist nature but I'll accept the Flail and Golems and call it complete. You are talking to a guy who picked up every plant in the Gothic series on multiple play throughs and used maybe a dozen in total. I "need" everything. I'll walk a mile to a vendor to sell a dagger to make inventory room for a Kobolds short sword at level 20. It's a sickness.
 
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Haha! I'm the same exact way, though. Picking every flower, looting every single thing. It's funny how some people play RPGs this way.

I have lately tried to be a little more relaxed and not hoard so much (playing Gothic 2, currently), but it's damn hard! I have at least learned to live with the consequences of my actions and not re-load after every "wrong" decision! :D
 
That's Gothic for you. It teaches you to pick up every damn plant and stick. Let you're guard down in the first segment for ten seconds and you're dead! :)
 
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Such an awesome game. I'm loving it so far. The first Gothic is classic as well.

Todd, you still playing LOTRO at all? I haven't played in a year, but I think I'm getting the craving to head back and check in on things sometime. I stopped near the end of Moria and did want to see Lothlorien but didn't make it that far.
 
Too funny Thrasher. No on Lotro, been more than a year. I'll take a wander back in the spring probably.
 
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