Satellite Reign - Iron Man Update
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I smell a... wumpus!?
"We hope this is good news for those of you who want to take their time contemplating their next move."
It sure sounds good to me! This doesn't make the game too easy, does it?
It sure sounds good to me! This doesn't make the game too easy, does it?
People that complained don't care
As for me, I will be waiting for a 50% Steam sale
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ChienAboyeur
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This never ends.
The expectations of players toward this product are unclear. The offer in "ugoigo" party based products is large, much larger than the offer SR is supposed to belong to (this offer amounts to a fistful of products)
What could SR offer that does not exist in the "ugoigo" offer?
The story is not a selling point. Players cant claim they want to enjoy a gripping, emotional, involving or whatever quality. SR does not offer such a story.
The gameplay: devs hung a postsign, they want SR to be played in a certain way, they backed that decision with design measures.
Besides, so far, the gameplay is a failure, there's nothing here to explain an irresisting attraction to the product.
For references, time given to players to take their decisions:
Out of combat, when trespassing on a corporate compound on the lowest level of alertness, eventually, the patrols find players when they camp. It takes quarters of hours. Actually, the devs set a safeguard to prevent players from farming the automatic money collection feature, SR goes in the menu page at a few minutes. This safeguard usually ticks way before the party is found.
When trespassing on the highest level, it takes minutes before, as the level might be reset to the lowest level, that's back to step one.
In combat, when in cover and not returning fire, it takes dozens of seconds to minutes for the enemy to destroy the cover.
When in cover and returning fire, it takes dozens of seconds for a PC to be downed.
When in the open, it takes more than a dozen seconds to be downed. And the decision here is straightforward: move the PC in cover.
And that discounts the use of abilities to boost health, armour etc
The settings: other products share similar settings.
Shadowrun, that was released one month ago or so fits the demand.
It is "ugoigo", party based and set in a cyberpunk thing.
Players often have more products than they can play. Could they just walk away, taking notice SR is not meant for them?
This never ends.
The expectations of players toward this product are unclear. The offer in "ugoigo" party based products is large, much larger than the offer SR is supposed to belong to (this offer amounts to a fistful of products)
What could SR offer that does not exist in the "ugoigo" offer?
The story is not a selling point. Players cant claim they want to enjoy a gripping, emotional, involving or whatever quality. SR does not offer such a story.
The gameplay: devs hung a postsign, they want SR to be played in a certain way, they backed that decision with design measures.
Besides, so far, the gameplay is a failure, there's nothing here to explain an irresisting attraction to the product.
For references, time given to players to take their decisions:
Out of combat, when trespassing on a corporate compound on the lowest level of alertness, eventually, the patrols find players when they camp. It takes quarters of hours. Actually, the devs set a safeguard to prevent players from farming the automatic money collection feature, SR goes in the menu page at a few minutes. This safeguard usually ticks way before the party is found.
When trespassing on the highest level, it takes minutes before, as the level might be reset to the lowest level, that's back to step one.
In combat, when in cover and not returning fire, it takes dozens of seconds to minutes for the enemy to destroy the cover.
When in cover and returning fire, it takes dozens of seconds for a PC to be downed.
When in the open, it takes more than a dozen seconds to be downed. And the decision here is straightforward: move the PC in cover.
And that discounts the use of abilities to boost health, armour etc
The settings: other products share similar settings.
Shadowrun, that was released one month ago or so fits the demand.
It is "ugoigo", party based and set in a cyberpunk thing.
Players often have more products than they can play. Could they just walk away, taking notice SR is not meant for them?
This never ends.
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Actually Chien, if you use Ultra damage mode none of what you write regarding combat is accurate anymore. So you might get what you want to? Oh NOO! This game is pretty damn good, and the OPTION to have the time stopping ability from the start doesn't mean you have to use it. I sure as hell won't take that option, but I might use both Ironman and Ultra damage on my second run...
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It is not about what I want, this is about how things are.
People, these days, have trouble respecting chronology.
The devs received a lot of requests to introduce a pause and order feature.
These requests were based on versions that did not include the ultra damage mode and on the feeling that more time was needed to decide.
Providing a time frame put a context to the requests.
How this simple report was warped into myself wanting something is a mystery.
The idea that the ultra damage mode could have been introduced to correct the length of time allocated to decision making is amazingly entertaining.
On the use of the time slow down skill: the use of it is determined by which playstyle a player wants to use. It was not meant to substitute to pause and order feature.
In SR, two main dimensions: stealth and compactness. The player can choose to go more or less stealthy and to scatter more or less the party on the map.
The builds are determined by these two dimensions.
For example, going less stealthy means operating in a limited strike way (close a perimeter, clear the opposition within the perimeter, secure the objective, run away)
This way of doing calls for the use of certain skills, augmentations, weaponry etc over others.
That is the same for the slow time skill: it is here to meet certain demands associated to certain play styles.
For stealthly approach, the slow time skill might come handy to perform silent executions at the same time. Stealth demands to perform four silent executions at the same time, the ability helps to that end.
Or compactness. Operations support multiple insertion points. Puppets might be sent at the front gate to operate as a bait while in parallel, the party is introduced elsewhere. Or the party itself might be split in different places of the infiltrated compound, all operating at the same time.
In other words, multitasking.
As long players do not get involved in the level of stealth requiring simultaneous executions, run multiple operations at the same time in different locations of the map, the gameplay calls for no use of the slow time skill.
People, these days, have trouble respecting chronology.
The devs received a lot of requests to introduce a pause and order feature.
These requests were based on versions that did not include the ultra damage mode and on the feeling that more time was needed to decide.
Providing a time frame put a context to the requests.
How this simple report was warped into myself wanting something is a mystery.
The idea that the ultra damage mode could have been introduced to correct the length of time allocated to decision making is amazingly entertaining.
On the use of the time slow down skill: the use of it is determined by which playstyle a player wants to use. It was not meant to substitute to pause and order feature.
In SR, two main dimensions: stealth and compactness. The player can choose to go more or less stealthy and to scatter more or less the party on the map.
The builds are determined by these two dimensions.
For example, going less stealthy means operating in a limited strike way (close a perimeter, clear the opposition within the perimeter, secure the objective, run away)
This way of doing calls for the use of certain skills, augmentations, weaponry etc over others.
That is the same for the slow time skill: it is here to meet certain demands associated to certain play styles.
For stealthly approach, the slow time skill might come handy to perform silent executions at the same time. Stealth demands to perform four silent executions at the same time, the ability helps to that end.
Or compactness. Operations support multiple insertion points. Puppets might be sent at the front gate to operate as a bait while in parallel, the party is introduced elsewhere. Or the party itself might be split in different places of the infiltrated compound, all operating at the same time.
In other words, multitasking.
As long players do not get involved in the level of stealth requiring simultaneous executions, run multiple operations at the same time in different locations of the map, the gameplay calls for no use of the slow time skill.
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I just meant that the Ultra damage actually adresses one of youe main concerns (at least that's how I understood you?) about the game, which is shooting behind cover. I actually think most of your points are valid, and I'm not trying to have an argument with you.
I for one fins the time stop abililty mostly annoying, I would prefer it if we could get the buffs from it but without the time slowing down. But if people want to use it that's fine. I prefer to go stealthy simply beacuse it's more fun, and then the ability is of limited use, I don't have the guts to try and perform several stealth kills simultaniously.
I for one fins the time stop abililty mostly annoying, I would prefer it if we could get the buffs from it but without the time slowing down. But if people want to use it that's fine. I prefer to go stealthy simply beacuse it's more fun, and then the ability is of limited use, I don't have the guts to try and perform several stealth kills simultaniously.
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Developers are hinting at a possible cooperative mode, but won't make any promises.
That sounds positively delightful to me. It could be a fantastic shared experience.
That sounds positively delightful to me. It could be a fantastic shared experience.
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Shooting behind cover was never a concern.
Devs reported they received a lot of requests to implement a pause and order feature in the game.
Players , to justify their request, claimed they were not given enough time elaborate their decision making.
A commentary provided the durations that are left in game for players to take their decisions.
The range goes from quarters of hours to dozens of seconds.
All of the durations are a lot of time.
There was obviously nothing to argue about.
There was a question to be answered tough.
How does it come that devs received lots of requests to implement a pause and order feature when the basic design gives already so much time for players to elaborate their decision?
As an addition, it must be noted that the game has a pause feature. So players who want to give more thoughts to their move can pause the game.
What caused players to send requests for a feature that nothing calls for?
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That's simpy, becuase they THINK they want it. I find that if I screw up no amount up pause will help me save the day, if I don't screw up pause is not needed.
But if some players want it...why not? Retorical question Chien, I know you dislike the mechanic.
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Once the action starts, pause enables you to plan your response carefully. That's especially helpful when the situation hasn't been foreseen.
It's hardly rocket science.
It's hardly rocket science.
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Already answered that. The introduction of a feature might not be neutral. A feature might work in favour of or against.
No reason to support the introduction of a feature that works against.
It has nothing to do with feelings. Time durations were stated. It has nothing to do with experience in RTS. It is only the time durations here.
And obviously, others feel that the system does not provide them enough time. They sent requests to the devs.
Acknowledging that others feel otherwise, painted as dismissing them feel otherwise.
Who's that everyone else. So far players who sent their request are involved. This is hardly everyone else.
Was Satellite Reign experienced? From those statements, doubts are allowed. As it is hard to see how these things are not amply allowed in the version.*
Passing time is hardly a subjective thing.
As for the rest, it is answered: introducing a feature is not forcefully neutral.
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