blatantninja
Resident Redneck Facist
Actually, no, I don't advocate that, but try again.
You advocated repealing the second amendment didn't you? That's taking away my rights as a gun owner.
Actually, no, I don't advocate that, but try again.
Here's something that would actually be far more effective at preventing gun deaths: Repeal the second amendment.
That's just a strawman. There is a difference between being stressed and having real mental health issues.
Yes, you did misunderstand that. I stated what would be more effective.
I don't want to demonize the mentally ill at all. I want to address an issue, preferably with treatment, not incarceration unless necessary.As for your second question: There are laws in place already dictating what to do if they make threats. Further reading, since you want to demonize the mentally ill:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/h...-on-mental-illness-in-gun-control-debate.html
And since you're fine with taking away my rights, I hope NYC further restricts yours. All's fair in love and war, right?
It's never simple to determine whether someone have "mental health issues" or not. A person can live up in an environment they are perfectly calibrated for and break down as soon as things change. A person can be great until they end up in an environment they aren't adapted to. It's difficult to imagine a mental health issue that doesn't include some form of stress. Criminal insanity is as far as I concern more of fiction and popular myth.
Again, my solution to a problem that doesn't really exist? There isn't one.
The mentally ill aren't the ones shooting everyone.
If you actually want to address mental health problems, make treatment free and stop stigmatizing mental illness
And I'm sorry if you find my attitude petty, since I find yours bigoted, uninformed, and insulting. Also: Yes, you do want to take away people's rights, nor do you actually care about the mental health issue. Ciao.
As usual, you try to confuse the issue. We will never elminate all breakdowns by people, but there is a big difference between someone with a history of treated mental health issues and someone who is just stressed, whether you want to confuse it or not.
To some extent, I agree with you--there's an extremely fuzzy zone between "harmless nuts" and "dangerous nuts". (my apologies ahead of time, I seek not to be insulting but to be brief). That said, I'm not a fan of absolving people from taking responsibility for dealing with the stresses in their life. To minimize the psychological distance between "having a really bad month" and "shooting a bunch of people" strikes me as rather insulting to people that DO deal with the multitude of stresses in their lives without becoming violent.I'm only pointing out that the line is difficult to make. You said; "most mass killings are done by people with mental health issues" but it's also true that "people who commit mass killings are said to have mental health issues"? If we are to predict mass killings I do not believe a dichotomy between "history of treated mental health issues" and "just stressed" works. Stress is often seen as a sign of mental health issues and often is a part of the diagnosis.
Breivik was not mentally ill? I very much doubt that's true.
He probably wasn't psychotic - but there's no way he was mentally healthy.
He's a psychopath, which is a personality disorder and not an illness. So by all means not healthy, and a very disturbed person. But we don't consider/call it a disease. An example of how the meaning of words often differ beween "professional" use and among the general public.
Pibbur
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As for his personality disorder - I actually thought that was considered a subcategory of mental disorders - but I'll trust you
Maybe you shouldn't. I've checked a bit, and it's not as clear-cut as I thought anymore. Although there (once) was a difference, it's debated, and i've found several references not separating the two. I'll check some more (because it interests me) and come back to you later. Perhaps JemyM can contribute?
Anyhow it's mostly semantics. Breivik is still a severly disturbed person.
Pibbur who can see the advantages of cross-checking before posting, and not indiscriminately rely on things he learned and later forgotten 30+ years ago.
That said, I'm not a fan of absolving people from taking responsibility for dealing with the stresses in their life. To minimize the psychological distance between "having a really bad month" and "shooting a bunch of people" strikes me as rather insulting to people that DO deal with the multitude of stresses in their lives without becoming violent.