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dteowner
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I'm basing that on some of the comments in this thread. Those claims might be false, I suppose. It's been a while since I personally visited the Codex forums so I have to rely on the info presented to have at least half a foot in reality. I'll happily believe that some of this is teenyboppers bragging about their 17" penises, but I haven't seen a hint of any Codexer correcting the claims.
Inaccurate parallel. A public website, even if privately held, is governed by public laws. After all, sites that distribute kiddie porn are privately owned, and those owners still go to jail. If you had controlled access (non-registered viewers get a blank screen), you'd be able to work that angle, but you don't so you can't.
Fair enough. I've got a small handful of posts here, but ask anyone--only a few dozen of them were remotely worth reading. Does that count?
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How is it inaccurate? If you were to distribute child pornography out of your home, the same result would occur. Your privately owned residence still has to fall in line with domestic and federal laws, just as a website would. The open door analogy describes an unregistered viewer.
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dteowner
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A more accurate parallel would be the neighborhood McDonalds. Still privately held, available to the public, and still subject to public decency laws. Don't mistake the lack of enforcement by the FCC as a lack of regulation.
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Quoted for hiliarious accuracy. RPGCodex is serious business folks. Avoid like the plague.
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This… except for the "good for laughs" bit.
The last 2 years has seen the Codex' overall maturity level plummet big time.
Seriously, I think it's mostly kids posting there now with a few old timers chiming in from time to time. Sad really.
And it's not that I'm some prude or anything, I can take brutal honesty, a few cusswords and the occasional insult (if warranted, heh) but it's just that a lot of the newer posters really are immature and offensive.
There is no point to a lot of the comments. And "butthurt?" seems to be the question of the day (daily) over there, lol.
I still visit of course, just getting harder to weed out some of the nonsense.
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And with all the arguing over the analogy, the point remains the same — Codex breaks no laws. You can continue to argue semantics as long as you'd like, it won't change the underlying point. It needs no moderating from a legality standpoint as it violates nothing.
The FCC would have to make drastic changes to it's current make up to even think to regulate cable television. I doubt they could. It's a pay-for service, much like HBO, Playboy Channel and Sirius/XM. All of their current regulation of cable television revolves around proper usage of broadcast networks and their local affiliates or airwave usage. They'd have no foothold in regulating material. None. What is the essential difference between purchasing a Playboy Channel package (which shows hardcore pornography) and purchasing the Digital cable packages? None.
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DarkUnderlord
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Well to be fair, it was "one of your guys*¹" that started the thread here. If you'd note, we don't make threads on the Codex about the Watch where we call you all a bunch of queer ass pussy-footed fags.
Strangely enough the one thread that was started slagging off RPGWatch on the Codex got filled with one liners and died before it even hit page 2*². Whether you want to take that as the state of the Codex in general, or an indication as to how much we don't care, is up to you.
*¹Although strangely enough, elkston does have an account on the Codex which he registered a full 2 years before he came here, so maybe he's a Codexer trolling you gaiz or somethin'.
*²Of course, none of the Watchers came over to our thread which would've added a few pages, where-as this one got hit by Codexers at the end of page 1 (which I think is why this discussion is still going) and generated a 7 page thread on the Codex as well. So I guess you can take that one as an indication of the Codex' attitude again or this time, take it as how much the Watchers fail to care.
Yes and no. I think it's true that there are more "immature 4channers" than there are "Sirius Discussionz" people (in the world in general) and the Codex attracted a number of them. I really think the biggest thing that happened is the Codex got busier. When it was founded, it really was just people like myself, Saint_Proverbius, Vault Dweller and the like. The more serious people who can do lulz as well but can
We've always had those who threw in one liners but as more people have come, those have simply become more noticeable. If the ratio remained constant that out of every 10 new fags, 1 is bizness and 9 is mostly lulz, than out of 1,000 people joining you very quickly notice a lot of lulz. Even though the proportion may remain fairly constant, the sheer quantity is what seems to trigger most of "the Codex is going down the toilet" comments (which is something that's been said ever since the Codex was founded).
If I do a simple comparison with the Watch. Take a look at the Off-Topic forum here. It has 25 topics listed per page. The thread currently at the bottom has a last reply by Gorath dated 25th Jan, 2010.
Now look at the Codex GD. You'll see 50 topics per page, double that of the Watch. The thread currently at the bottom has a reply by Lebanese Warrior dated 17th Feb, 2010.
That's a complete turn-over of 50 topics every 2 days in the General Discussion forum at the Codex (which has been a fairly constant rate for quite some time now), compared to about a month at the Watch. You'll note a number of those threads at the Codex also have multiple pages, with some running well-above 10 pages of replies. Note we also have 25 replies per page, where-as the Watch has only 20.
Most of the multi-page threads in Off Topic on the Watch are the standard "post pics of yer ass hahalol, wut r u playin?" variety while we have topics about Russians, Zen, Hinduism and BLACK GUY GETTING HIS ASS WHOOPED BY OLD WHITE GUY which if you read it, you'd note somehow or another became a discussion about GDP and economics at some point.
Now compare both our RPG Discussion forums (Cue argument about what forums can be compared to what). You note the Watch has 25 topics on page 1, with last reply dated Feb 8, while the Codex has 50 topics going back to Feb 7th. It seems the Watch has better turn-over (more discussion) but if you only take the Codex' first 25 topics, we have a more recent last reply of Feb 15. Go back a full 100 topics though (2 forum pages on the Codex, 4 on the Watch) and you get to Jan 24 2010 for the Dex and Nov 13 2009 for the Watch. Codex again has higher turn-over and a lot more replies.
The short version is: The Codex is pretty busy and given the ratio, it does mean some of the "really, really good" stuff can get buried rather quickly. Particularly if you're only visiting once a week or so. My argument is it's still there, you just have to be quicker to spot it.
RE: Moderation policy in general, my attitude has always been fairly simple. If it's an opinion, you should feel free to express it. Just be aware that I also believe that people with the opposite opinion should be entitled to freely give their opinions about your opinion and about you, and you should be free to respond, and then they can respond and then fifteen pages later you're talking about economics and don't know how and oh yeah, you're a fag.
Strangely enough, if internet rage is allowed to run it's course, it dies out soon enough without anyone needing to ask for threads to be locked or someone to be banned.
General Discussion is what it is and from a personal viewpoint, I'm happy for it to be there where the nazi's and trannies and racists can all post their shit and defend their points of view. Simply because if it's in there, strangely enough, people know to (mostly) kept it out of the other forums which are then free to be Let's Play Threads or discussions about RPGs…
… where you're a fag because you like Mass Effect and the Codex is dead because someone thinks VtmB is better than Arcanum.
You need to stop projecting your own faults onto others.
Misspelling words makes you look cool.
I used to lurk at the codex, post once in a while, too many trolls though.
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txa1265
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Nice to see all the new folks ... even if many of you are a bunch of soul-less, but-slurping motherfuckers
Seriously, as some have said, there are some cool people there and some who say 'boobies' just because they can.
But then again, I get into multipage debates over semantics, which only shows the sort of brain-damaged pissant *I* am ...
Plus, sometimes my article here or at GamerDad or other places would get linked and the absolute shitstorm of stuff said when I pointed out at GamerDad that there wasn't the typical objectification of women in Dungeon Lords makes it all worthwhile ...
Seriously, as some have said, there are some cool people there and some who say 'boobies' just because they can.
But then again, I get into multipage debates over semantics, which only shows the sort of brain-damaged pissant *I* am ...
Plus, sometimes my article here or at GamerDad or other places would get linked and the absolute shitstorm of stuff said when I pointed out at GamerDad that there wasn't the typical objectification of women in Dungeon Lords makes it all worthwhile ...
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oldmanpaco
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Seriously DU. Where do you find the time to write this while administrating the Codex. You need to get back over there - the place is going to hell.
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DarkUnderlord
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That post only took me about 30 - 40 mins to put together while I was uploading some stuff.
Incidentally, not the same beans as this are you?
Actually that was more a comment that the multi-page threads in Off-Topic on the Watch are fairly typical of those you find on every other internet forum ("What are you listening to / reading right now?" etc…) in that they've been around for a while (possibly years) as many members reply to them, but that they're not so much typical of the Codex, where our multi-page threads are… different and pop-up over night.beans said:
Incidentally, not the same beans as this are you?
Sigh, guess it's been time again for the regular Watch (Dot) vs Codex thread!! Really, we're Time/Life, they are Penthouse/Playboy and there's a market for each. Hey some people, I hear, actually read both!! Though maybe that's just because of the pictures!!!!
Dhruin
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Not that I care but that this isn't correct. Perhaps most of them start off as a thread about our content or something, but these things come up every now and then (see Corwin's reply) and have done for many years; I'm pretty sure you know that.
Mind you, this thread it pretty pointless, so score one against us. I posted because I did actually like the way it used to be (or at least, how I remember it).
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Doesn't lessen my point by a fraction, really.
And now I'm also starting to wonder how you all found this thread. One or two straying over here could seem reasonable, but by the looks of it we have about ten new users who registered just to tell us what a bunch of hypocrites we are.
Not that I don't see your overall point (and not that I don't agree with it) but here I feel you're misrepresenting the Watch a little. You're making it seem like when we're not discussing RPG's we're doing nothing but generic "What are you listening to/reading/playing". That's true in the Off-Topic forum, but only because our multi-page discussions on politics are in the politics forum (don't ask me why, I don't get it either).
So saying that your off topic forum is more interesting than ours if you ignore our interesting off-topic forum is slightly off.
Sigh, guess it's been time again for the regular Watch (Dot) vs Codex thread!! Really, we're Time/Life, they are Penthouse/Playboy and there's a market for each. Hey some people, I hear, actually read both!! Though maybe that's just because of the pictures!!!!
...they have pictures?!?
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