Gothic 3 Lee

Is there a way to talk Lee out of killing Rhobar? So far I only have the option to give him the teleportation rune. How is it possible this great character got so simplified?

I not sure alot if the characters lost depth are you just trying to clear the quest or get Lee to follow you around?

I am getting close to that point but still have some exploring to do, just found out that Frithjof there in the Fire Clan is spose to be the 12th Paladin but bugged, maybe Lee is bugged as well.
Have you tried playing through it yet?

I'm trying to role-play. I don't want Lee killing Rhobar, at least not right away. I want to know what happened back then, and I want to know the reason the greatest general in whole kingdom got thrown in the slammer. Maybe there even was some kind of conspiracy, and I want to find it out. But I'm probably asking too much.

I gave him the teleporter stone to test what would happen and he just attacks Rhobar. Of course he is no way near strong enough to defeat him, and he ain't interested in working things out with words.

That is pretty much it ... I believe that you can find out more later, but basically as Lee has been telling you for years he has a major score to settle. You give him the means, and he's off to do it.

yes hwfanatic i too wished for different options and or fleshed out details with lee and the king. but unfortunately its one of those developer time issues most likely and at least they didn't a 'halfway job' but made it simple. mike sums its it up perfectly that exiled to khorinis for those years, and being betrayed, has left only one thing on lee's mind. if there was ever a prequel made to gothic i'm sure we could see a great story about lee. i can just imagine the 'promise' he makes to rhobar as he is dragged from the court in myrtana to his fate in khorinis.

Ahh, ok.
hwfanatic have you played G1, Lee does explain quite a bit about the being setup.
Iirc (memory failing, atm) he was accused of either killing the Queen or having an affair with her by the Martana elite, because he was too stong of an influence on Robar and prevented them from using the King for their political purposes.
The King allowed Lee to be setup in the since he believed the political elite and didn't do an investigation..

So Robar destroyed one of his mostly loyal subjects and his greatest commander also remember Robar is spose to be Innos's leader representive and Innos is spose to represent Truth and Justice, so what Lee intends in this violent Medievle world is quite justified.

You can keep him alive by healing him and not get attacked, afaik.

I remember my Gothic quite well. Somebody set Lee up, and if there is anyone that needs to be killed, then it's this shady person. Lee is not supposed to be dumb, he was the leader of the mercenaries for goodness sake. His disappointment and anger about Rhobar not taking his side in the trial is imho not a very good reason to kill the guy. Especially now the kingdom is at stake, with the orcs at the capital door. The conspirators were probably lobbying with the king trying to convince him to "let Lee go" putting things out of perspective for the already shaken man. Once again, I fail to see why Rhobar is the one to die while the real perpetrators are still roaming free.

Ok well I guess we just have different takes on this, since my understanding/belief is that this politcal elites were the ones pushing Robar into the war with the Orcs, which Lee was against, which has caused untold kaos and destruction to his country.
Robar is leading, responsible and there could have been no war, without Robar.

I should play G1 again to refresh my memory.

Lee was convicted by the King for killing the Kings wife, and his service to the nation saved him from being executed. He was framed by some nobles, however, and the King had no actual choice in the matter. I agree that Lee really shouldn't kill the King, but I believe all those years imprisoned has made his anger grow a lot.

Question: Where is that political elite/where are the nobles? All I've seen are Guards, the occasional Paladin and a few peasants... where'd the nobles go?

VPeric said:

Question: Where is that political elite/where are the nobles? All I've seen are Guards, the occasional Paladin and a few peasants... where'd the nobles go?

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Where do they always go - to their country villas far away from the action ...

Maylander
" King had no actual choice in the matter"
I could have sworn there was something about the King "Just Believing them against Lee" some sort of denied justice where Robar didn't bother investigating which is where the anger/revenge stems from since Robar wouldn't even give him a fair trial.

VPeric
Actually this could be more reviled in G4, but yes there were only fighters and mages left, of course the political elite never fight the wars they insight.

Hey maybe we will get to smash there faces in their posh villas, in the countryside, besides we have been working hard kicking butt for three games now, we could use a break at a nice villa.

No, what I mean is... there aren't any villas. There isn't any nobility. I mean, what we have in G3 is the entire kingdom Rhobar has/had, right? And I failed to see many of those.

i think the general time constraint of developing and lack of importance/difficulty of implementation answer applies here. or its possible they are all dead, or maybe some left to the southern isles (or who knows what other small islands are out there), where maybe the women and children are as well--eating bannanas and playing on the beach

but i'm with Acleacius on this one. the king surely is to blame for not trusting or investigating and not making lee the 'fall guy'. maybe his 'anger' over the possiblity of his wifes death clouded his judgement, but the wheel of karma has spun back towards him where lee's 'anger' which he's had years to live with is aimed at one helping of sweet revenge. maybe if the rhobar was 'winning' the war then he might be more inclined to let him live, but after any society has taken such a 'beating' under any ruler's watch its time for a change. lee just happens to be the simplest solution to that problem.

maybe an aide to the king found out that lee and the queen were having an affair so they plotted to have them both dealt with. or maybe the 'aide' found out about the affair and took matters into his own hands. there are numerous amounts of posibilities that could have occured--just pick your favourite shakespearen one. but while rhobar could have partialy been a victim in it all, given his 'lifetime achievements' and the fact that lee was the best general who he exiled during the time of a loosing war, along with countless other people (guilty of even the smallest crimes all so he could get ore which he apparently 'knew' he wasn't even going to get) who could have raised a sword against the orcs. no the more and more i think about it rhobar was more a tyrant, dictator with far too much to answer for.

VPeric, yeah we're just being retorically funny about the villas.
I.e. they got the hell out of town.

Actually it seems like Lee gets the best treatment of all the buddies, after he defeats the King, things like Heroic, leading the armies to greatness during his tale.

Did Lee have a wife and kid too (geezz I have got to play the series again)?

Oh btw does anyone know if you can get Angar to live, for some odd reason he goes Red with Mora Sol a place he has been a less than a month and attacks me when I am freeing it.

Also why the hell do they say Lester goes to Braga, there's no coast there isn't it obvious he goes to Lago?

And Degio why doesn't he stay in Mora Sol when you bring him there?

I too, am disappointed with Lee.

"Lee, I am disappointed with you. *Walks away*

My understanding:
I clearly remember Lee's story. Assuming he was telling the truth (Why, of course he was!), he was set up and accused of killing the king's wife. I assume that Lee must have been framed very convincingly, and Rhobar really bought the story. But since Lee was his greatest general - someone very loyal, and possibly a friend, - Rhobar didn't want to execute him. Instead, he sent him to Khorinis, so as to never see him again.

Now, what I thought was that Lee planned to restore his honor, clear his name, and get revenge on the people that had framed him. Not such a petty plan to murder the king... c'mon Lee, you're better than that. But the problem, and Lee's tragedy, is that many years have passed. The situation in Myrtana has changed. Many have probably forgotten about the story.The nobles that had set him up, may be gone, or even dead, and the revenge that he dreamed of just may be beyond his reach. So Lee, blinded by anger and frustrated by not being able to get a proper revenge, decides to murder Rhobar...? Perhaps, but I'm not convinced. This is *not* the Lee I remember from Khornis. I feel sorry for the man, but I refuse to help him.

but this is gothic not lord of the rings. it's all to similar to the situation with the king of rohan and his aide 'wormtongue'. but since rhobar is fooled by his weak mind and honour rather than any 'magic spell' there is no nothing to cure him of, other than removing him from his bad decision making throne. and since this is 'gothic' then killing him is a completely noble solution. granted it would be nice if they had a duel/arena style fight or better. besides usually a great warrior would rather be killed then sent to rot in shame on a backwater island. and like i said before i agree that there should be a third option or maybe more but the one they implemented is the most 'efficient' and still makes the most sense. even from the first game it was clear that pirahna bytes 'portrayed' rhobar as not a well liked leader so it would seem odd if a majority of people thought he still had a right to rule. but the openess of him not being a great/noble leader (ala lord british) while not being a monsterous one either leads us all to come to these different conclusions and what makes the gothic series so great.

but being as there is only going to be one story line that follows if the addon/expansion does take place after the events in gothic 3, then most likely the king is dead, as the only option that furthers the nameless heros adventures involves rhobar dead, and why rob lee of the satisfaction he desires by killing the king yourself.

The biggest deal breaker for me was of course Robar was the one whom started the Penal colony to imprison his subjects for the smallest of crimes, so he could force them to dig Ore for his war.

It seems as if some are tending to glamorize Robar, even though his crimes against his own people seem clear.

curious said:

but since rhobar is fooled by his weak mind and honour rather than any 'magic spell' there is no nothing to cure him of, other than removing him from his bad decision making throne.

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Are we talking about the same Rhobar? The one that created a kingdom from scratch in God's name?

some people age better than others. a great man can through lifes stresses and emotions, decisons can succomb to nothing more than a selfish and foolish child, who unfortunately doesn't have naivety to blame.