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April 18th, 2010, 18:13
Could making the polls different make them more accurate?

There are probably some statisticians on here who could tell us, are we really missing some vital details about how each games effect us by saying you can only pick one. Notably very worthy titles go unnoticed/scored since there maybe a single clear winner.

What if we each had 1 point for ever 2 poll choices, so in this case of 8 choices we got 4 points to spend OR ever better what if we could rate each game from 1 to 5?

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April 18th, 2010, 18:45
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You know, talking and questing are also part of the gameplay.
You make a good point, but it doesn't really change my main criticism : some really questionable design decisions when they decided how to make the PnP mechanics work in a 1st person action-rpg game (in first person nonetheless so yeah I find its presence in the 'shooter/rpg' poll perfectly justified even if it's much more of an rpg than a shooter).
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April 18th, 2010, 21:30
They did try to improve on Deus Ex (ala Deus Ex: Invisible War). They failed miserably but it was tried. We shall see how Human Revolution does.

I agree NOLF/NOLF2 could be included but I'm ok with it out. Bioshock should probably be included though it wouldn't change my vote of Deus Ex.
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April 18th, 2010, 23:24
Thanks JemyM for mentioning nolf series here. I really enjoyed that james bond parody humour and odd 60s culture references Speaking of shooters with stats. If nolf 2 drops into this category, we can't overlook Dark messiah or blade of darkness games. Both are really good medevil fantasy themed action games with rpg flavour

As for stalker..i haven't even played it yet. it seems that I've missed something remarkable.
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April 19th, 2010, 00:59
Deus Ex is legend.MassEffect2 is a close second.
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April 19th, 2010, 02:27
Let's finally get a new poll up.
With Mass Effect 2 just behind us and Alpha Protocol a mere month or so away, I thought we'd look at the best shooter/RPGs. Feel free to add others in the comments or argue a genre definition.

On a personal note, I'm surprised this isn't a better represented genre - and why has noone tried to improve on Deus Ex?

Have at it, by clicking "vote" on the right-hand side.
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April 19th, 2010, 02:27
I'm not an FPS fan. Haven't been since Doom, really, though I keep playing them when i get bored So, I'm biased. But in my opinion the Mass Effect games pretty much have to be the best shooter/RPG hybrids, because they are the only ones as of yet that bothered to incorporate more than superficial RPG design.

…and why has noone tried to improve on Deus Ex?

I played the first one and thought it was pretty bad. It seemed like they gimped the Unreal engine so that they could make their pseudo-RPG stuff like sneaking and stealth attacks work, which made it a poor shooter. And then they didn't bother with adding enough RPG-ishness to it to make up for what they'd removed from Unreal. Ended up being a hybrid that was simultaneously a bad FPS and a bad RPG. When people set out to make hybrids they need to decide what they want to focus on and really knock it out of the park on that side, and then add in the hybrid stuff as a freebie that adds value to an already good game. Deus Ex didn't manage that. I never played the second one. I'm not big on second chances.
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April 19th, 2010, 02:31
By the way: if we get to include Fallout 3 in this category, I'd give that an edge over either Mass Effect game. Just based on the fact I spent more time with it and had more fun with it. Ideally, I'd like to see a game that had Bethesda's Sandbox style (which they do really well) and Bioware's characters and storyline (which is what Bioware is really good at). I guess collaborations like that don't happen in the real world, though.
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April 19th, 2010, 03:24
Originally Posted by CraigCWB View Post
…and why has noone tried to improve on Deus Ex?

I played the first one and thought it was pretty bad. It seemed like they gimped the Unreal engine so that they could make their pseudo-RPG stuff like sneaking and stealth attacks work, which made it a poor shooter. And then they didn't bother with adding enough RPG-ishness to it to make up for what they'd removed from Unreal. Ended up being a hybrid that was simultaneously a bad FPS and a bad RPG.

Well everyone's welcome to their opinion… even if it's crazy.
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April 19th, 2010, 05:32
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Well everyone's welcome to their opinion… even if it's crazy.
That's what I used to say about Warren Spector, when I was feeling charitable

Seriously, System Shock was a great game. I don't know how he could have gone so far wrong unless he didn't actually DO anything on the original System Shock team except yak on the phone all day.

This is an RPG forum, right? Are you happy with what's been done with RPGs in the last 10 years? I'm not. And Deus Ex was part of the problem that got the genre to where it is now.
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April 19th, 2010, 05:38
PS JDR13,

Did you play Unreal when it first came out? Can you tell me with a straight face that Deus Ex was anywhere near as good as Unreal, evaluating it as an FPS? I'll assume you say "no". Next question: What RPG released in the same time frame would Deus Ex compare favorably to? I can't even claim it was as good as action-RPGs that tanked, like Nox. Because, it wasn't. Original System Shock came out while Doom was still the hot FPS. And, System Shock was a better FPS than Doom. By a lot. Completely different dynamic.
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April 19th, 2010, 06:32
Why would you even compare Dues Ex to games like Unreal and Doom?
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April 19th, 2010, 07:22
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Why would you even compare Dues Ex to games like Unreal and Doom?
Why wouldn't I compare it to Unreal? It's a shooter/RPG (with emphasis on shooter) that used the Unreal engine, and was released shortly after Unreal.

What I can't understand is why people are comparing Deus Ex to games liek Vampire: The Masqurade.

Really? Seriously?

It seems to me that there are three different categories in that list:

Category I (shooters w/RPG elements)

STALKER
DEUS EX
SYSTEM SHOCK 2 (Why 2? 1 was so much better )
BORDERLANDS

Category II (RPGs w/shooter game mechanics)

FALLOUT 3
MASS EFFECT 1/2
VAMPIRE : BLOODLINES

Category 3 (games I never heard of)

BOILING POINT

I seriously have no idea why anybody in an RPG forum would choose any of the games from Category I over any of the games in Category II. But I see that a majority did.

To each his own, as you said. But are you sure you're an RPG fan?
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April 19th, 2010, 07:36
Originally Posted by CraigCWB View Post
I seriously have no idea why anybody in an RPG forum would choose any of the games from Category I over any of the games in Category II. But I see that a majority did.
I don't know.. maybe because they have different tastes than you?


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To each his own, as you said. But are you sure you're an RPG fan?
You're trying to convince us that Deus Ex is closer to Unreal than it is to VtMB. Are you sure you've even played any of these games?
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April 19th, 2010, 07:36
Originally Posted by CraigCWB View Post
Why wouldn't I compare it to Unreal? It's a shooter/RPG (with emphasis on shooter) that used the Unreal engine, and was released shortly after Unreal.

What I can't understand is why people are comparing Deus Ex to games liek Vampire: The Masqurade.

Really? Seriously?

It seems to me that there are three different categories in that list:

Category I (shooters w/RPG elements)

STALKER
DEUS EX
SYSTEM SHOCK 2 (Why 2? 1 was so much better )
BORDERLANDS

Category II (RPGs w/shooter game mechanics)

FALLOUT 3
MASS EFFECT 1/2
VAMPIRE : BLOODLINES

Category 3 (games I never heard of)

BOILING POINT

I seriously have no idea why anybody in an RPG forum would choose any of the games from Category I over any of the games in Category II. But I see that a majority did.

To each his own, as you said. But are you sure you're an RPG fan?
While I share your opinion about Bloodlines being more RPG-ish than all the rest (I wrote about that in the other thread on the poll)…

….your idea to list Mass Effect 2 as more RPG-ish than DeusEx makes me want to vomit.
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April 19th, 2010, 07:50
Originally Posted by Corwin View Post
I object that there is neither a None of the Above, nor a Other choice. I'm NOT a fan of Shooter/RPG's in general, but for me the absolute standout is the Original System Shock!!
I'm with you on that! System Shock when it first came out was mind blowing. That was one of my favorite games of the 1990s (of all genres, and there were a LOT of good games in the 1990s).

I lasted about 3 hours in System Shock 2. Maybe 4 hours in Deus Ex, and about the same in STALKER. I consider all 3 of those to have been a waste of my money.

Mass Effect 1/2, VTM, Fallout 3… I liked all those fine and consider them all to be actual RPGs, but I'm not at all happy about Bioware's emphasis on "interactive cinema" (how can ME be considered a shooter, when it's 1 hour fighting per 10 hours of dialogues/cutscenes/running around?) or with Bethesda's Sand Box (only)philosophy. Game designers threw people like me over the side in 2000 though, so who cares? Everyone else is obviously a happy camper. I'd prefer if the term "roleplaying game" was just retired though, because it's damn insulting to people who like roleplaying games to imply a game like STALKER could qualify, by any definition.
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April 19th, 2010, 08:00
Originally Posted by bkrueger View Post
While I share your opinion about Bloodlines being more RPG-ish than all the rest (I wrote about that in the other thread on the poll)…

….your idea to list Mass Effect 2 as more RPG-ish than DeusEx makes me want to vomit.
Deus Ex isn't an RPG, at all. It's a pretentious shooter, and that's all it is. Even go back to what Warren Spector was saying when it was in development, and you can see how he was going on and on about "immersion". He's one of those "The media IS the message!" guys who cranks out interactive idiotware for the masses. I'm just surprised to find that demographic, here.

Are you guys happy with the current state of affairs in the RPG genre?

That's a "yes" or "no" that I'm looking for. If you answered no, then Warren Spector and Deus Ex are (part) of what you should have a grievance about. If you answered "yes"… then enjoy!
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April 19th, 2010, 08:05
Originally Posted by CraigCWB View Post
Deus Ex isn't an RPG, at all. It's a pretentious shooter, and that's all it is. Even go back to what Warren Spector was saying when it was in development, and you can see how he was going on and on about "immersion". He's one of those "The media IS the message!" guys who cranks out interactive idiotware for the masses. I'm just surprised to find that demographic, here.

Are you guys happy with the current state of affairs in the RPG genre?

That's a "yes" or "no" that I'm looking for. If you answered no, then Warren Spector and Deus Ex are (part) of what you should have a grievance about. If you answered "yes"… then enjoy!
I agree that there are reasons not be happy with the current state in the genre. But for me ME 2 is definitely a bigger part of that problem than DeusEx.
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April 19th, 2010, 08:20
Originally Posted by bkrueger View Post
I agree that there are reasons not be happy with the current state in the genre. But for me ME 2 is definitely a bigger part of that problem than DeusEx.
I disagree. Mainly, because Deus Ex and Warren Spector were front and center when the PC game industry made the change in direction that put us where we are today. I'm not letting Bioware off the hook, because the direction they went in deciding to follow up Baldur's Gate 2 with Neverwinter Nights (and the KOTOR) is equally to blame. I'm just not blaming Mass Effect for being the game that it is, because in today's market it could be no other. Look how many people in even THIS forum are choosing a product like STALKER over Mass Effect and Fallout 3? What message does that send developers? If today's RPG developers are the same sort of idiot they were 10 years ago, they are going to start making their games more like STALKER.
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April 19th, 2010, 10:19
Originally Posted by JemyM View Post
Second game.

Oh, I see. I haven't played NOLF2 and played NOLF1 a LOOOONG time ago. I honestly can't remember rpg element in 1st game tho. It was more spy/shooter game from my memory.

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