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April 3rd, 2008, 21:26
Into a Swan - Siouxsie

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Suede with Siouxsie Sioux - Caroline Says

Siouxsie and the Banshees - Israel

I still love her …

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April 3rd, 2008, 21:46
Listening to Sonic Youth - Goo

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April 4th, 2008, 03:52
Excellent choice, HiddenX. I prefer their second phase (post-punk?) more than the first.
my favorite Siouxsie offering

BTW, the Tears Run Rings cd and Marine Time Keepers cd are both exceptional. TRR has a variety of takes on the shoegze formula (all of which work very well) and MTK does a fine job reviving the Sarah sound. Highly recommended!

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April 4th, 2008, 13:38
I've been listening to Belle and Sebastian lately, but I wanted to extend my recommendations a bit. So songs with "summer":

Colleen - Summer Water
Emiliana Torrini - Summerbreeze
Belle and Sebastian - I Know Where the Summer Goes

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April 7th, 2008, 18:01
This Girl rocks …

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April 8th, 2008, 23:45
A little electro-pop, in honor of the impending hockey playoffs:
"Ready to Go" by Republica

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April 14th, 2008, 20:10
"Drip Drip Drip" by Chumbawamba

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April 17th, 2008, 16:56
The 'Ratt' video, cheesy as it is, for some reason I really like that tune.

I also like the new studio version of 'All Things Must Pass' from The Jesus and Mary Chain (on the Heroes soundtrack CD). I'm an old guy, but I'm looking forward to their new record. The new studio version from their upcoming record is better than the Letterman performance, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f_N36SfHL0

Also, 'Jane' by Jefferson Airplane/Starship, or whatever, is a great rock song. Dude needs to lose the 'pornstar' mustache, though. The studio version is longer and has much better guitar work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PwG69620WA
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April 18th, 2008, 21:54
Do you like Glam-Rock ?

Gary Glitter:
Rock and Roll Part 2 Hey Song

T-Rex:
Bang A Gong (Get it On)

20th Century Boy

The Sweet:
Ballroom Blitz

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April 19th, 2008, 22:58
Just went through a break-up last night. What better album to play right now than The Counting Crows - Saturday Nights & Sunday Mornings ?
http://www.countingcrows.com/

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April 20th, 2008, 17:05
The only one better might be 'Spiritualized' Lazer Guided Melodies, IMO.

http://www.amazon.com/Lazer-Guided-M…8704617&sr=8-3
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April 20th, 2008, 17:25
I just couldn't get into Spiritualized. I tried, really, I did.

As for good "woe is me" music, it sort of depends on how angry your woe happens to be. For a good "FU" woe, I find Autumn's "The Hating Tree" tough to beat. For a more reflective woe, Claire Voyant's debut and anything from the Field Mice would work pretty well. Or you could really wallow with "Have You Forgotten" by Red House Painters

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April 20th, 2008, 18:19
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As for good "woe is me" music, it sort of depends on how angry your woe happens to be. For a good "FU" woe, I find Autumn's "The Hating Tree" tough to beat.
Hmm.. I'm on completely unfamiliar territory here, but that stuff is pretty cool in some strange way. What the phuck do you call this stuff? I've been meaning to get into some non-metal dark & depressing music but I just don't know where to look and where to start. This stuff maybe a bit too soft and I didn't really care for all of the songs but still this might be a kick in the right direction.
I want my music dark, ambitious and filled drama and tragedy.

Any recommendations ? I don't even know the genre I'm looking for
I've been stuck with all forms and sub-genres of Metal lately and some obscure progressive rock bands too for so long.


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April 20th, 2008, 18:21
dte, if you decide to give Spiritualized another chance, definitely go with Lazer Guided Melodies, an amazing album, IMO. Shine A Light and 200 Bars are pretty good songs.

I've never seen them live, I went to a Neil Young concert here in Columbus, and the vendors were selling 'Spiritualized' gear and I saw that and I'm freaking out. I'm like 'What's up with the Spiritualized gear?" The guy said "yeah that's the opening act" and it wasn't on the ticket. I show up late for concerts as a rule, and totally missed seeing them play. I had been listening to them for like 15 years, and put a load in my drawers when I found out they had already played.

To make things even more amusing, I missed them AGAIN when they opened for The Jesus and Mary Chain. This was the Lazer Guided Melodies tour, and we had a group set to meet up to see the Mary Chain concert, and I walked in and my sister was "Oh you just missed the best opening band I've ever seen. Spiritualized. Now 20 years later I can't believe I missed it. Oh well.

I can definitely understand somebody not getting into Spiritualized, but Lazer Guided Melodies is pretty good, if that's your style.

Oh well just rambling.
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April 20th, 2008, 20:34
@Zakhary- that's pretty much goth music. The only real difference is that Autumn is guitar-based with liberal use of effects pedals (ala shoegaze) while the majority of goth bands are keyboard based. My adventures in Goth-land are mostly limited to the "ethereal goth" neighborhood (such as "Cold Sea" fromAutumn's Grey Solace), which probably isn't what you're looking for. Sammy and Jaz are more knowledgeable about the harder end of goth. A few others here might be able to chime in, too, but it sounds like Sammy might be living the in the musical neighborhood you're looking for.

@Sir Markus- "LZG" was the cd I had. I might still have it laying around somewhere, but I just couldn't make it work for me. Not sure why. By any chance did you ever get to see The Emerald Down? They were based in Columbus maybe 5 years ago. Beautiful stuff. I heard a rumor somewhere that they might be reforming.

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April 20th, 2008, 23:36
dte thanks for the heads up on Emerald Down. I'm usually pretty 'up' on the local music scene, but that's one I missed. I don't go see live bands as much as I used to, but a quick Amazon search tells me it's probably something I'd like. I'll definitely give them a listen. I know a guy at a local record shop at Ohio State and haven't seen him in ages and have been meaning to pay a visit; I'll drop in and ask him about that band.

Oh and another good 'breakup' record I just thought of is Mazzy Star 'So Tonight That I Might See' depressing as heck, but pretty good. That along with Mazzy Star's follow-up 'Among My Swan' and you should have more than enough 'woe is me' music. 'Happy', 'Fade Into You' and if you're REALLY down, put 'Cry, Cry' on repeat and wallow away. 'Halah' from their first record fits the bill as well. Really pretty songs, though.

http://www.amazon.com/So-Tonight-Tha…8727758&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Among-My-Swan-…d_bxgy_m_img_b
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I haven't been to a concert in a few years, and I haven't been to one I picked since I got married (almost 16 years ago). Nothing but a steady diet of Bon Jovi, with a shot of Winger and Warrant mixed in long ago, all courtesy of Mrs dte.

Emerald Down broke up a few years ago. *digging out Aquarium ep* Make that 2002, give or take a few months. I got a 4th hand rumor on the shoegaze board a while back that the band might be getting back together, but haven't heard anything since. There's no guarantee they'll keep the same band name, for that matter. If you happen to dig up some info thru your local contacts, please share.

I found out that Howard Jones is playing a show in Kokomo (how in the heck does Kokomo land that?) on July 4th, so I might look into figuring out a way to weasel that into the schedule.

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April 21st, 2008, 18:27
Thanks for the suggestions guys. None of the samples really seemed hit the nerve though. The reason I like The Counting Crows latest is because half of the album (the Saturday Night part) is rock, testosterone filled night-on-the-town music, which caters well to my feelings of anger over the situation. The second half of the album (Sunday Mornings) is mellow and contemplative, which works well for the sad mood swings. …. Ah women…. They just confound me.

Anyways… Zakhary, it sounds like it might be hard for you to find a group that caters to what your looking for consistently - Something that's in-between Metal and what dte listed. Usually metal bands have a few softer songs scatter within albums but I can't think of any album that's consistently in that spot between too soft and too hard.

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Doom metal is where to head if you want some dark and heavy, sorrowful tunes. Not "stoner doom", because while they do tend to get a little down sometimes, theyre overall just too stoned to care! I personally cant stand stoner doom, outside of Pentagram's "Be Forewarned" because it's mostly occult-themed.

No, little chilluns, we dont want to hang w/ the stoners. That would be far too easy. We wish to wallow, and wallow we shall.

Dealing w/ women, you'll probably want to steer towards My Dying Bride, as they are pioneers of sort of the "romantic" doom, ultra-dramatic, dual mournful guitars,lots of keyboards and some violins and other such classical trappings, wrapped up in some awesome atmospheric sonic setpieces. Did that make sense?

The guy's clean voice might put you off at first, but he goes from moaningly sad to raging growls, to a whisper. He's got the tortured mentality thing down. They tend to plod along at least one time a song for a good run, but not confined to the entire song creeping pace characteristic of most doom.

If that sounds good, order "The Dreadful Hours", then once youre ready for something a little more advanced I'd go w/ "Turn Loose the Swans". Silly titles aside, theyre some of the best doom mainstays I know of.

Turn Loose the Swans

The Dreadful Hours

For some great (actually the best) gothic doom metal w/ male & female vocals, you need to get into Draconian, namely their first one "Where Lovers Mourn". Dont let the speed in some tunes fool you, they downshift quickly and go all depressed on ya in a heartbeat. This baby will make you reach for the razor, dont read the lyrics if youre blue.

Draconian - Where Lovers Mourn

Other good beauty/beast gothic doom, some would say pioneers of this type of stuff is Tristania, tho theirs is more the longing for lost loved ones beyond death's door done a' la dark poetic verse. Dont bother unless youre ready for lots of thees, thys, and thous proceeding hither from thine speakers.

Tristania's "Widow's Weeds"

& Theater of Tragedy

Theater of Tragedy "Velvet Darkness they Fear"


If you want the most crushing type of doom, the stuff that really sort of creeps you out and makes you think you may get bad luck or something by listening to it, then you want to hit the funeral doom crowd. Their stuff is generally dealing w/ misanthropy and self-loathing, and no belief in anything but some black void awaiting us all at the end of our days, forever more. There is no hope, period.

Shape of Despair


Evoken's "quietus"

You can actually leave Shape of Despair's Myspace page going and it'll pretty much cycle thru a lot of their "greatest hits". I didnt really quote the other band's pages, because they tend to put up a little more of their faster or newer stuff to attract the less-depressed. Get the ones I spoke of, I know what I'm talking about here.
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April 22nd, 2008, 04:15
All hail Perfesser Sammy. Huzzah! I knew he'd be all over that.

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