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February 24th, 2007, 11:12
The work on Vampire: Bloodlines continues with a v3.4 unofficial patch released. This particular release has a surprisingly large number of changes/fixes, so hit Worthplaying for the full notes and the file (180Mb).
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February 24th, 2007, 11:12
I can't believe the game's unofficially at v3.4 by now. I mean, I had no major bugs in the vanilla game so I can't help but suspect that - no offense meant! - these bugfixes are actually the fixes of bugs that the patchmakers have been creating themselves.

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February 24th, 2007, 11:33
Originally Posted by r3dshift View Post
I can't believe the game's unofficially at v3.4 by now. I mean, I had no major bugs in the vanilla game so I can't help but suspect that - no offense meant! - these bugfixes are actually the fixes of bugs that the patchmakers have been creating themselves.
Guess if you want to you can find something bad in everything, eh? Personally I wish that companies would support their games like these fans do…
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February 24th, 2007, 11:54
Originally Posted by r3dshift View Post
I can't believe the game's unofficially at v3.4 by now. I mean, I had no major bugs in the vanilla game so I can't help but suspect that - no offense meant! - these bugfixes are actually the fixes of bugs that the patchmakers have been creating themselves.
Our german forums tell you a different story.

And when you take a look at the patchlog you can see, that most of these fixes are nearly invisible. You wouldn't see the bug because you wouldn't know that it is a bug.

Great work, but sadly there is no german version of this file. There are quite some Bloodlines fans in Germany, too, and now you can get it for 10. But they still have to play Bloodlines v1.2. And if a german version of the patch comes out, it's to late, because the game isn't sold anymore.
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February 24th, 2007, 14:40
Okay, I ain't saying here that what the fans are doing is useless and they have all my admiration and awe for their perseverance. Far from it! And they have my utmost respect for supporting the title, even if Troika does not (hence: cannot) do so.
It's just that I felt that the game was playable out-of-the-box as well, and somehow got the feeling that the patches have been bringing up more and more issues that mayhaps should've been left alone.
Anyhow, the game was a wonderful experience (hey, I lost my girl on that one, lol), wish there were more games set in the World of Darkness universe… the planned MMO in 2011 is just bloody far away, methinks.

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February 24th, 2007, 15:14
The german Version of Bloodlines is even with the 1.2. still a bug fest… have you ever tried to make the quest for the posters or have you tried to buy a new armor for a Malkavian female ? IIRC the Armor for malkavian males is also bugged in the german version.

The Game is huge, you may finish it even without encountering a bug - if you are very, very lucky - but believe me, they are there, and they are many

I have installed the english version because of the extra german bugs and because so I can use the Fan-Patch.

My Thanks goes to the folks who still try to give this rough-diamond its perfect form

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February 24th, 2007, 18:22
Yeah, the people who do this deserve much respect. Same goes for the Circle Of Eight folks
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February 24th, 2007, 18:50
wow, theyre still pluggin along on this one!
My vanilla US version didnt have any problems that I remember, but then again Ive only played it thru one time. Awesome game, I agree that there needs to be some more WOD stuff. There was that news blip about a WOD MMO that got my blood pumping, havent seen anything more on that one.

Now that's one MMO that I would have to check out!
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February 24th, 2007, 19:29
Perhaps they've gone afield of simply bugfixing, perhaps not, but at this point it must be a labor of love. Anyone who cares about the game as much as these folks do (and the aforementioned Co8) have more than earned the right to modify as they see fit in my eyes. Not just because they are doing the work, but because they obviously care about the game so much that the value of their opinion on what the game should be approaches that of the original developers.

I greedily snatch up each new unofficial patch in case it's the last. I'm so looking forward to playing through Bloodlines again with whatever patch the game ends upon.

And I also would love to see more games in the World of Darkness universe. Indeed, I always felt that vampires and werewolves were pretty boring fare until I got interested in White Wolf's works. Somehow their universe feels so much more sophisticated and multi-dimensional than nearly any other use of these classics.
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February 24th, 2007, 21:34
I think they should offer two files: a patch and a mod. Calling this a "patch" is, I think, free and a bit undeserved publicity since more people will download a patch than a mod. They themselves say "This patch fixes many bugs, restores unused content and mods some of the game to improve the consistency of the presented world." They e.g. change the way humanity points are given, which may be drastic for game balance and a few months ago I thought was done inappropriately at least once (don't ask me, can't remember now.)

Much respect for the hard work! But 1) fix the bugs and prepare the patch and 2) let us, the players decide whether we want to see the "improvements" you've envisioned.
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February 24th, 2007, 23:22
Originally Posted by xSamhainx View Post
There was that news blip about a WOD MMO that got my blood pumping, havent seen anything more on that one.

Now that's one MMO that I would have to check out!
White Wolf and CCP (Eve Online) merged, so there is definitely an MMO in development, no question. However, they are only starting out…you won't see anything until 2009 at the earliest.

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February 25th, 2007, 03:37
This is a nice coincidence. I just got Vampire:Bloodlines yesterday

Does anyone suggest that I play it with just the official patches first? What was the last official version anyways?

I don't mind unofficial patches for bugfixes, but when they start changing stats then I tend to shy away from those types of patches.
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February 25th, 2007, 04:02
v1.2 is the official Troika patch. Personally, I think nearly all the changes made by this mod team are good choices and a couple of questionable ones are comfortably outweighed against a game that is perfectly playable but has many, many minor errors.

In other words, is it really worse to receive additional Humanity points (beyond the original intent) because of this mod than to have not received them because of a Troika bug?

Having said that, I've played it quite happily both with and without - most changes are quite minor either way.

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February 25th, 2007, 14:28
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February 25th, 2007, 15:13
Rock on Wesp!

First to the German fans, Wesp is German (afaik) so if you guys want it in German ask him.

I couldn't even concieve of playing the vanilla version without the Unoffical patch, just look at the list of fixes and what you will miss out on.

The reason there are adding, fixing and restoring content which makes it seem like they are modding is at least in 90%+ of all the fixes Trokia didn't have time to do them.

As an example the Histories you could use them but they were totally unfinished and bugged.
In reguards to the Humanity situation up to 3.0 at least (while I was helping) all that has been done is to make it consitant with the WOD and what Trokia had started but were unable to finish, so if you can think of a specific example of a Humanity which is Not correct please list this info to help.

Basicly, please list any undeserved Hunamities (hell any other problem too) or list any that should get a hit and don't.

Why complain when you can help or better yet if you have to complain let it actually help the game.

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February 25th, 2007, 19:32
I really think that it is amazing how these guys have hung in there, taking a wonderful game that showed some lack of refinement and keep trying to make it more and more polished. Thing of wonder, really.

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February 28th, 2007, 01:18
Some of the changes I didn't like were e.g. rebranding of weapons (why?) and adding / removing them from certain areas. I guess these changes were in one of the first updates.
I'd like to play the game the way Troika envisioned it. The work of those guys is certainly fantastic, hats off etc, but at the same time they're telling me this: "OK, so you want to have the bugs fixed, right? Sure, but you'll have to deal with the fact that we decided to change a few things. So, some weapons are named differently, just because we wanted; we also put this here, that there…" It's not really a big deal but I think they should keep their own ideas separate from the bugfixes. Come on, if someone found a torn manuscript of the fourth Gormenghast book by Mervyn Peake, would you prefer to read what's left of it after a great deal of reconstructionary work, or would you prefer a version in which the editor decided that erasing some parts and inventing some new ones was the way to go? You should have this choice.

When you look at the recent changelists, they're certainly looking better (bugfix-wise) than the older ones. I stopped being interested after the first few but maybe I'll try the new one.
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February 28th, 2007, 01:22
I just remembered one thing.

You can be merciful and tell a certain ghoul to leave town. In the main game you lose a Masquerade point by doing so, and it's how it's supposed to be. I'm pretty sure one of the first patch removed the Masquerade decrease, and that was also why I became highly sceptical of the whole project.

Of course, if I just fabricated this memory, I'm very sorry :-)
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February 28th, 2007, 03:29
i agree with what you are saying Elwro. i like to play games the way the developers made/intended them to be especially in the case of troika. i had no problems with running the game with the official 1.2 patch. i only added the unofficial one when the 'histories' were restored. that was a cool feature that i can't believe got left out of the original. normally i don't use fan made anything on any game though. when i tried the texture for deus ex: invisible war i was horrified by what it did to the charcter models. it basically comes down to i trust a devloper regardless of talent because it is a mixture of many people over a single or maybe a few people who the odds of me sharing in what they envision the game to mean is considerably less.
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February 28th, 2007, 04:09
What are these "histories" that you speak of? I haven't played Bloodlines yet and I'm still trying to decide between that last official patch and the fan made patch.

Would I be missing out on a lot if I decide to just go with the official patch?
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