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September 23rd, 2011, 21:50
WOW !

THAT was unexpected !!!

There IS actually (seemingly) something out there that is FASTER than Light !

Uh. To Physics this is like … The end of the formerly known world. This is like 2012 to modern particle physics, if this proves to be true.

Read more here : http://www.nature.com/news/2011/1109….2011.554.html

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September 23rd, 2011, 23:08
The experiment covers 732 km. There is a 60 nanosecond discrepancy. Huge instruments are involved. Draw your own conclusions.

ed: My critique is aimed at the press release, not at the post. From what I read elsewhere the research team released the result publicly since they've checked all known error sources and is looking for outside critique of their experiment.

We still need more science post here. Too much politics.
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September 23rd, 2011, 23:28
Yepp, it takes a bit more to overturn relativity. Safest bet is on inaccuracy.

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September 23rd, 2011, 23:32
A human construct might not be real?

That's a shock, let me tell you
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September 23rd, 2011, 23:33
Posted about this in another forum. Frankly, I think it's either procedural error or an error in the calculated distance and/or time.

For instance, what if time, as we perceive it, actually sped up for the neutrinos, therein allowing them to cover the distance in a larger amount of [their] time? Then we would incorrectly assume that they were traveling faster than they actually were.

We know so little of physics at the quantum level that this 'news' is akin to a 17th century Puritan proclaiming that rocks should be able to float if they were to witness the Wright Brothers' flight. And this is all assuming there's been no experimental error, which I'm more inclined to believe.

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A human construct might not be real?

That's a shock, let me tell you
Hours, Minutes, 365.25 days - those are human constructs… time itself is not however.
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September 23rd, 2011, 23:56
Originally Posted by Drithius View Post
Hours, Minutes, 365.25 days - those are human constructs… time itself is not however.
Yes, time is a human construct. What we perceive and give that name, however, is perhaps not.
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September 24th, 2011, 00:10
Originally Posted by Drithius View Post
For instance, what if time, as we perceive it, actually sped up for the neutrinos, therein allowing them to cover the distance in a larger amount of [their] time? Then we would incorrectly assume that they were traveling faster than they actually were.
Surely they must have covered this?
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September 24th, 2011, 00:17
Originally Posted by hishadow View Post
Surely they must have covered this?

Actually, time would have slowed down :O but the principle still applies - out of ignorance for the entire picture as it were, we can't throw away the basic tenets of physics.
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September 24th, 2011, 12:00
Nerdy FTL joke:

The barman says "We don't serve tachyons in here". A tachyon walks into a bar.
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September 24th, 2011, 12:15
The linked article from above actually has a few tries to explain this thing to me.

The thing I personally find most reasonable is that if light particles actually "interfering" with other particles - and the Neutrinos don't, the poster said (if I understood him correctly).

Neutrinos, b the way, are still not very much understood, so there might be all kinds of things going on there.

Even that Neutrinos do have mass ast all is relatively new knowledge.

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September 24th, 2011, 15:34
Originally Posted by coaster View Post
The barman says "We don't serve tachyons in here". A tachyon walks into a bar.
I believe the correct and up-to-date version is:

Sorry, we are not open yet.

A neutrino walks into a bar.
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September 24th, 2011, 15:53
well its just one experiment. It needs to be reproduced by number of other teams. Thats whats they want anyway.

Exiting times either way.
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September 24th, 2011, 15:55
Originally Posted by hishadow View Post
We still need more science post here. Too much politics.
The reason why you get too many politics post is anyone can join in and talk crap and still feel they are "right" by saying "wells its your opinion" etc. However they can't do that with science so you get less posts
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September 24th, 2011, 16:04
The whole western world going down the debt-crapper I think its just natural that people are more interested in politics.

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September 24th, 2011, 16:23
Generally speaking in the U.S., Sports >= TV > Politics >>> Science

This status quo of complacency for the past ~40 years makes me very angry. I shipped a telescope to my 8 year old niece but I'm told it still sits in its box; but she's been mentored to be a great soccer and softball player, so that's what counts, right?

Adding fuel to the fire of my tirade, I would say that the problem with science & technology in today's civilization is that the majority of its advancements are driven by consumers and corporate 5 year plans. I am not naive - I will be the first to admit that this has been the case in much if not all of our history from the industrial revolution onwards - but we've reached a point in advancement where we're just so god-damn complacent with the way things are that any progress through consumerism that does occur does so at a snail's pace.
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September 24th, 2011, 16:29
Originally Posted by zakhal View Post
The whole western world going down the debt-crapper I think its just natural that people are more interested in politics.
Oi! No segways!!!
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March 17th, 2012, 00:08
And the verdict is…. NOPE!

As most of us suspected, light is indeed the universal speed limit.

http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012…eed/?hpt=hp_c2
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March 17th, 2012, 03:48
Too bad. It would have been such a surprise !

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March 17th, 2012, 16:41
Originally Posted by Drithius View Post
And the verdict is…. NOPE!

As most of us suspected, light is indeed the universal speed limit.

http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012…eed/?hpt=hp_c2
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