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October 12th, 2011, 14:35
You can only fly a single ship + some drones

One of the big changes in X Rebirth when compared to the old X games is that you as a player will only be flying a single ship.
Freelancer like trade-lines

Local highways accelerate all ships by a very high multiplier (different from place to place though) and bring ships with the same destination much closer together. You can leave a local highway at any time and explore the areas between zones. Although a highway boosts your speed permanently as long as you are inside it, you can still influence your speed by skillful steering. This makes it fun to travel as fast as possible, but also possible to intercept other ships or even attack them in the middle of a highway.

Local highways can be entered not just at their endpoints, but also anywhere in the middle.
Super Highways and Gates

Super highways are even faster than local highways and bridge interplanetary distances. Again you can influence your speed and interact with other ships but you can not leave a super highway in the middle.

Gates still exist, but right now…. they do not work. However, there are signs that this may soon change!
Note: you can not extend the highways to reach your fabs!

The game will use steam activation
You will be able to add modules to your ship as you go on with main quest ( suck it pirates !)

This is going to be bad!
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October 12th, 2011, 14:47
Steam ? Oh, no ! I was so much looking forward to it !

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October 12th, 2011, 15:53
Seriously?

I'd say Steam is the least of its problems. It sounds like they're streamlining it for a more casual audience.
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October 12th, 2011, 16:37
Agreed, JDR. Seems to me the end result will be two changes—the focus of the game will move away from being an economic sim and the mechanics will be changed to push the game towards an arcade shooter.

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October 12th, 2011, 17:44
I for one like that Egosoft is taking the X series into a new direction. The way I see it, the series has been pretty stagnant and all the different iterations are really just graphics and interface updates. That is not necessarily a bad thing, since the gameplay formula works and is a lot of fun if you can get into that style of play.

But I also think that this particular formula has been "maxed out" and pretty much perfected. I replayed the first title a few months ago for a couple of hours and I found it to be surprisingly accessible and enjoyable, still. So I don't really see the need for another game like this when there are already 3 more polished versions around.
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October 12th, 2011, 17:47
What "X Series" is this anyway?
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October 12th, 2011, 19:02
Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer View Post
Steam ? Oh, no ! I was so much looking forward to it !
Oh noes, the sky is falling!

Have you even given it a chance? It's really not that bad. I admit the whole region pricing thing is whacked sometimes, however if a game is Steamworks you don't have to buy it from Steam but can buy it elsewhere at a better price and register it there.

I used to be one of those people who hated Steam with a passion. I got caught up in all the anti-Steam sentiment from all the 'Get off my lawn you damned kids' types who hate change and rant on about it. Then I actually tried it and I like it. It's got a lot of convenience features. I can't tell you how nice it is to never have to worry about updating to the latest version and hoping the patcher works or losing a disc with my saves on it after I reformatted my PC etc.

As far as DRM goes it's definitely one of the more benign and less intrusive options for it, so long as idiotic software companies don't layer their own extra DRM on top of it, that is.
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October 12th, 2011, 21:02
I am using steam, but I still prefer it when games don't force it upon me. As you said, it does offer its perks (unlike most other forms of DRM), enough for me to not hate it, but I still don't love it either.

As for the new X-game, it feels like they are stepping a bit too far from what made the series popular. While all game series needs to evolve over time (as long as they don't involve sports, it would seem…) there is still often a core that people are drawn to, and which should remain roughly the same.
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October 12th, 2011, 21:37
Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer View Post
Steam ? Oh, no ! I was so much looking forward to it !
Maybe the time has come when the new developments leave you behind.

Why don't you try the following 5 things I think you have avoided until now. It will open your horizon:
1. Order something from Amazon, maybe a couple cheap DVDs as Christmas gifts.
2. Open a PayPal account with 20 EUR.
3. Open a Steam Account (free and anonymous)
4. Attach a retail game to your Steam account (still anonymous)
5. Buy a cheap game on Steam with PayPal (daily deals / weekly deals). Now it's no longer anonymous.

All you risks are maybe 50 bucks combined. It will help you understand that not all new developments, even those from 5 years ago, are bad. Amazon is superb for the customer (not so much for the seller!). Steam is very comfortable, which to a certain degree compensates for the disadvantages. Especially there are no false positives during the disk check.
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October 12th, 2011, 21:50
One ship? ONE SHIP??? Please tell me this is some kind of absurd joke. One of the best parts of the X-series are all the different ships, starting out with a fighter and then upgrading to a corvette…buying a couple of freighters to get your merchandise empire started…stealing a Capital ship to protect "your" systems…but now I get…

One ship. Damn.
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October 12th, 2011, 22:44
I read that as "one ship at a time" as opposed to a 100 ship fleet. Not quite as bad as "one ship for the whole game" (you can still dump your fighter in favor of a corvette, but the freighters are toast), but still a major step back in my book.

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October 12th, 2011, 22:52
Managing a big fleet seems a bit tricky, so I can imagine why they might simplify to get awesome IGN reveiws, for example.
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October 13th, 2011, 11:02
They say that managing your fleet will be now made easy .
From what i understand this would be like Bridge Commander Star Trek with a bit of Dark Star One.

I am not installing 3rd party software to play a stupid game .

Egosoft are putting all their eggs in one little basket , if this fails they may fail as well ( remember what happen to bigger and older Ascaron ) yet they chose to hammer long time fans and take distance from their previous games .
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October 13th, 2011, 11:45
I would like it they basically just reworked the galaxy to be more logically structured and made the engine support multiple cpu cores and maybe fixed some of really annoying bugs that have existed since X2 - like when your in a fast ship and you use boost extension too soon after gating and it throws you back through the gate you just cam through….

I would like the border zones to be real border zones - full of smugglers and the place where inter galatic wars take place. Trade between different races factories should be more prevalent and more profitable but also risky i.e. travelling through non-policed border sectors.

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October 13th, 2011, 19:35
Originally Posted by Tragos View Post
I am not installing 3rd party software to play a stupid game .
It's 2011 and plenty of games have done it both big and small releases. More are coming that do it too. I don't understand why this is such an issue for some people. It's relatively minor and sits in the background. You really don't have to do anything with it if you don't want.

Furthermore, it's far less intrusive than some other types of DRM like securom and tages which have caused some major issues for people. Technically speaking, those are 3rd party software too, they're just more invisible, until they start acting up or hogging cpu cycles, that is.

I think people are more opposed to the idea of Steam than the reality of it.
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October 15th, 2011, 11:48
bjon045 border worlds in X2 are supposed to be developed by you , free sectors to put factories , patrols and enforce your authority .


Originally Posted by Motoki View Post
It's 2011 and plenty of games have done it both big and small releases. More are coming that do it too. I don't understand why this is such an issue for some people. It's relatively minor and sits in the background. You really don't have to do anything with it if you don't want.

Furthermore, it's far less intrusive than some other types of DRM like securom and tages which have caused some major issues for people. Technically speaking, those are 3rd party software too, they're just more invisible, until they start acting up or hogging cpu cycles, that is.

I think people are more opposed to the idea of Steam than the reality of it.

I am against this kind of DRM , one time activation , dvd checks okay but having silly software in my computer just to check if i am a pirate or not is insulting.
I don't like programs that shit in my background, i don't want to connect to any stupid service and i won't , i even have google analytics and the rest of the internet trash blocked from host.

The idea of Steam is a silly programm using my PC resources to check my status and report back to the shadow masters , no thanks.
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October 15th, 2011, 12:01
Honestly, I've been playing the X series since 1999 and although I love them and know every sector by heart, I think it's time to do something different. Will this be good? No idea…but I'm not against the concept.

…Steam…
Awesome - I like keeping all my games together.

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October 15th, 2011, 14:17
Originally Posted by Tragos View Post
I don't like programs that shit in my background, i don't want to connect to any stupid service and i won't , i even have google analytics and the rest of the internet trash blocked from host.

The idea of Steam is a silly programm using my PC resources to check my status and report back to the shadow masters , no thanks.
Well, in that case let me be the first to welcome you to your new life as an ex-gamer (or a filthy pirate if that be your choice) because digital distribution - with subsequent launch/validation platforms like Steam - is here to stay.

Steam is un-intrusive, simple/logical to navigate and is pretty damn stable but there are others popping up all around these days, like EA's Origin system or Ubisofts U-Play for instance. I don't think it will be long until the only boxed version of games are like Deus Ex: Human Revolution or Rage where the DVD merely contains the same contend you would download if you had purchased the game directly from the gaming service.

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October 15th, 2011, 14:28
Call me a luddite, but I'm still looking forward to the cataclysmic wailing the first time one of these services goes belly up and people lose the ability to play a bunch of their games.

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October 15th, 2011, 15:58
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Call me a luddite, but I'm still looking forward to the cataclysmic wailing the first time one of these services goes belly up and people lose the ability to play a bunch of their games.
When I'm taking a look at the collection of games I have standing on my shelves I guessing that about half of them are unplayable straight out of the box anyways due to incompatibility with either current hardware, software or both.

If Steam should go belly up I would either crack my steam games (yes it is indeed possible now and will most certainly be possible if the official Steam should close down) or chances are that I have no interest in playing these old games anyway.

"Progress" is constantly moving forward and the way I see it is that we can either go with the flow or get off and be left behind.

"Chess in particular had always annoyed him. It was the dumb way the pawns went off and slaughtered their fellow pawns while the kings lounged about doing nothing that always got to him; if only the pawns united, maybe talked the rooks around, the whole board could've been a republic in a dozen moves." - Commander Vimes in Thud! by Terry Pratchett
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