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January 5th, 2012, 20:23
Originally Posted by blatantninja View Post
Vote for a 3rd party.
What 3rd party BN? Successful (long term) 3rd party needs to appeal to disaffected from both main parties AND to the independents. Tall order IMO!
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January 5th, 2012, 20:27
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You are getting plenty of options, Drithius, an entire 5 candidates with differing political views and agendas versus the incumbent president and each other. Think of the primaries as the first round of presidential elections.

A preliminary election based on who has the most money for ads.
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January 5th, 2012, 20:28
I generally vote Libertarian. Even if they never win office, a strong showing by them will knock one, or both, of the main parties back into line. It's no coincidence that when the Republicans lost the '92 Presidential election, largely due to GOP voter defections to the Reform party, they came up with the 'Contract with America' and put together a comprehensive platform that appealed enough to the general population to break the Democrats 30+ year stranglehold on Congress.

Unfortunately, most of those guys that came in either kept their pledge to limit their terms, or didn't and sold out and the last decade happened.

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January 5th, 2012, 21:32
I'd like there to be non-party candidates because I consider the two parties the REAL problem with US politics today. George Washington was right!

However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
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January 5th, 2012, 21:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tByhkpJV_7g

You better hope its not Rick Santorum that wins, he will be bad for videogames.
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January 5th, 2012, 22:15
My answer: Does it matter?

We have a right leaning independent that is pretending to be a democrat in the WH and then we got on the other side mostly a bunch of extremist, anti-american bible thumping crazies. Oh and a guy who was a moderate while we was gov of the bluest state and like Obama pretending he is someone he isn't by trying to show how far right he is.

This would be hilarious if this was them fighting for the title of head clown at the circus. Sadly these people are trying to get into the WH. And I do not see any of them who are not going to either a. strip even more civil liberties from us or/and force their religion on us (overturn row vs wade for example)

Either case both are about as anti-american as you can get and far from what the founding fathers wanted.

We are all going to end up loosers in the end no matter who gets in I fear.

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January 6th, 2012, 00:45
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We have a right leaning independent that is pretending to be a democrat in the WH
To make a silly statement like that, you've got to be so far left that Thrasher would consider you an extremist.

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January 6th, 2012, 00:53
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To make a silly statement like that, you've got to be so far left that Thrasher would consider you an extremist.
I am actually a moderate (or more depending on the topic but generally moderate) left democrat. Obama is, at best, moderate right. He is chipping away and signing away civil liberties (no better then the repubs in congress or trying to win the WH) he removed the single pay option from the health care bill which made it, mostly, moot and IMO a hollow victory, and what exactly has he done to help the environment? Oh yes keep loosening the laws bush jr was weakening.

So really what exactly do you think I need to be excited about as a leftie?

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January 6th, 2012, 01:04
The guy gave away The People's money like it was candy. That's not moderate. The guy forcefed us national healthcare patterned after European social democrats. Not moderate. The guy nationalized private businesses. Not moderate. The guy completely threw out existing bankruptcy law to benefit his union cronies. Not moderate. Need I continue?

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January 6th, 2012, 04:20
Originally Posted by dteowner View Post
The guy gave away The People's money like it was candy. That's not moderate. The guy forcefed us national healthcare patterned after European social democrats. Not moderate. The guy nationalized private businesses. Not moderate. The guy completely threw out existing bankruptcy law to benefit his union cronies. Not moderate. Need I continue?
a. So did bush, what does that make him then? Point being one thing I can not get on Obama about is the economy/budget. He was left with a epic mess thanks to mr. in a undisclosed location and doing what most top economists are suggesting. None the less the economy/budget is not a left or right thing. It is something both parties should do responsibly. So me me this is a non-issue.

b. yes universal healthcare. Welcome to 2012 not 1812. But without the single payer option its weak IMO. Last I knew the definition of Gov't was a organized body to see the needs and welfare of the people. Healthcare is that.

c. Not sure what you mean by nationalized private businesses.

d. Last I knew he couldn't toss out laws unless congress passed a bill doing so and he signed it. Either case this topic dipped below my radar and frankly not a left or right issue again. Bush and Cheney did the same with haliburon and giving boyhood friends cabinet level positions they were not qualified for (ie FEMA). Either case again not a left or right issue just a issue and not part of my concerns.

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January 6th, 2012, 05:46
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The guy nationalized private businesses. Not moderate.
So did Bush.
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January 6th, 2012, 08:54
From where I am Obama is not left. He would probably be right of the centre of the political spectrum.

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January 6th, 2012, 13:57
Originally Posted by Harlequin View Post
a. So did bush, what does that make him then? Point being one thing I can not get on Obama about is the economy/budget. He was left with a epic mess thanks to mr. in a undisclosed location and doing what most top economists are suggesting. None the less the economy/budget is not a left or right thing. It is something both parties should do responsibly. So me me this is a non-issue.
Never have called Dubya a proper fiscal conservative. Nice to see the "Blame Bush" free pass still has legs, though.
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b. yes universal healthcare. Welcome to 2012 not 1812. But without the single payer option its weak IMO. Last I knew the definition of Gov't was a organized body to see the needs and welfare of the people. Healthcare is that.
If you're going to play fast and loose with the Constitution, my happiness and welfare includes a new car. No less a distortion of the government's duties than saying you've got legal backing for Obamacare.
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c. Not sure what you mean by nationalized private businesses.
Pretty basic stuff. The government took over and currently owns General Motors with no defined exit plan (unlike when the FDIC seizes an insolvent bank). Simple stuff done in broad daylight, that's the textbook definition of socialism (government control of means of production).
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d. Last I knew he couldn't toss out laws unless congress passed a bill doing so and he signed it. Either case this topic dipped below my radar and frankly not a left or right issue again.
He blatantly violated bankruptcy laws in honoring union claims against the bankrupt entity first, even before secured debts. That's just patently illegal, but Obama did it anyway. I think we've got a pretty good gage on your position, though. Anything that might contradict your preconceived determinations "dipped below your radar", even though it was splashed all over the news (well, the mainstream media sat pretty silent on the whole "breaking the law" thing, but they did report the events). You're entitled to that, ummm, bliss, I suppose.

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January 7th, 2012, 00:07
From my perspective, the only real winners of the election will be all those people who DON'T live in the USA!!

If God said it, then that settles it!!

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January 7th, 2012, 04:41
Yup! USA is there so others can see how things shouldn't be done…
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January 7th, 2012, 18:39
Ron Paul is the Kwa's last hope. However, since he is against zionism the Jewish Lobby and their masters in Israel, along with fanatical zionist evengical Christians will never let him get elected. Witness how suddenly an utter nobody like Santorum rose up bare hours before voting in Iowa.

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January 7th, 2012, 20:14
I'd like to note that Andhaira is a moron and a self-admitted schizophrenic, so his ridiculous post should be disregarded entirely.
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January 7th, 2012, 21:27
Originally Posted by dteowner View Post
The government took over and currently owns General Motors with no defined exit plan (unlike when the FDIC seizes an insolvent bank). Simple stuff done in broad daylight, that's the textbook definition of socialism (government control of means of production).
Nice overstatement there, DTE. The US government only owns 32% of GE stock.
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January 7th, 2012, 21:57
And never mind the fact that US government can't wait to get rid of this stock.
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January 7th, 2012, 22:31
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I love Ron Paul's fiscal policies. But his extreme isolationism scares me. Given a choice between Romney and Obama, I likely won't vote. There, I said it. Not that it matters anyway, living in a 'blue' state.

The limited two party system is almost as bad as the Electoral College. They both sustain a gluttonous status quo. In an age of computers, we deserve more options.
In my case, I like some of his isolationist ideas, such as not wasting trillions of dollars on ferkakte wars. However, his ideas about dissolving the Fed and going back to a gold standard strike me as completely insane.

This Ron Paul Venn Diagram was helpful.
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