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February 23rd, 2012, 23:58
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February 24th, 2012, 00:41
Funny how in the Bible God both allows and encourages the eating of meat!!

If God said it, then that settles it!!

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February 24th, 2012, 00:46
To the best of my extensive knowledge, neither Mohammed, nor Buddha (any of them) EVER claimed to be God. Only Jesus did that!!

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February 24th, 2012, 04:21
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To the best of my extensive knowledge, neither Mohammed, nor Buddha (any of them) EVER claimed to be God. Only Jesus did that!!
In the scriptures of every religion, we find the prophets giving statements which declare their uniqueness and their identity with God. E.g Lord Jesus says 'I am the light, I am the path', 'I and My father are One', 'One can reach My father only through Me' etc. Every fanatic misunderstands these statements to be statements of exclusivity. He thinks that his religion alone is the path. Its prophet alone is identical with God and all the religions are false.

Suppose there is a person who is neutral and wishes to join some religion. Which religion he should join? Follower of each religion says that theirs is the best religion and the only true religion.

The above concept of One Impartial God, who created this one world, clearly demands the unity in all the human incarnations and in all the religious scriptures. Proper interpretation of the statements of scriptures can achieve this unity. For example, Lord Jesus declares His oneness with God, His Father. The word 'I', used by Lord Jesus in the Bible, means the human incarnation in general. It is called Emmanuel (Heb. 'with us is God'). It means that God comes to live with human beings. The Bhagavad Gita also says that God enters the human body. God pervades all over the human body like electricity pervades all over the wire. The electricity and the wire become one and the same. This is the interpretation of oneness of Father and the Son.

One can experience God only through the medium in which He is present. In His Cosmic form, He is beyond our reach. Thus the human beings can experience God through human incarnation only. This is the interpretation of the statement that one can reach the Father only through the Son. Every human incarnation clearly preaches the special knowledge which clearly throws light on every minute detail. Such interpretations reveal the real universal meaning of scriptures.


When a mother says to her children 'all children must serve me', she does not mean that all children in the world should serve that mother alone. The children residing in faraway lands cannot possibly serve her. The correct interpretation of her statement is that all of her children should serve her. When you generalize her as any mother, then it means that every child should serve his or her own mother. Thus conservatism leads to ignorance while generalization based on the essential truth leads to universal knowledge.
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February 24th, 2012, 06:36
The infinite cosmos [universe] itself is a proof of the existence of unimaginable God. ‘Infinite’ means that the boundary of the universe is everlasting. What is the secret of this everlasting boundary? Suppose, let us say that the ocean is infinite. It means that you may travel and travel for any extent of time, you will not reach the bank of the ocean. The bank of the ocean means the land, which is different from the ocean or its water. The land, which is beyond the water, is never achieved if the ocean is infinite. If the boundary of the ocean is achieved, it means the land, which is separate from water is seen. Similarly, if the boundary of the universe is achieved, it means that the unimaginable God, who is separate from the imaginable universe is achieved. But, the boundary of the universe is never achieved. This means that something, which is beyond the cosmos or the universe, can never be achieved.

What can be beyond the universe? Only the cause or generator of the universe can be beyond the universe. From a huge lump of mud, you have created a small pot using some of the mud. Now, beyond the pot, the rest lot of mud, which is the cause of the pot, exists. If you are unable to cross the boundary of the pot, the cause of the pot, which is lump of mud, is never achieved. You can take this example to certain extent only. In this example, some part of the cause is modified into the pot and the rest of the part of the cause remains. But, in the concept [creation from God], no part of the cause is modified.
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February 24th, 2012, 06:43
If you argue that the human incarnation of your religion alone is correct, you will face the following powerful question:

Your human incarnation appeared in a particular region in a particular time only and gave the correct message to the people of that particular region only. After that, several generations passed before that particular message reaches the other regions of the world. All these generations missed that message and went to hell after death. If your message reached all the regions of the world in the beginning itself, at least some of the passed generations might have benefited. If your God alone created this entire earth and all this humanity is His issue, there should be no partiality in giving the message to one region only and allow other regions to be deprived of such fortune. This concludes that your God is partial to one region without reason or that your God did not create this entire humanity.

You have no answer for this question but we have the answer. Your God is impartial to all humanity and is the creator of this entire humanity. Even though the absolute God gave a particular message to a particular region through a particular human form, the same absolute God gave the same message in different human forms to other regions also. The language of the message may differ but the message is one and the same. The form, culture, dress etc., of the human incarnations in different regions may be different but the absolute God in these human incarnations is one and the same and hence His message is also one and the same delivered to all regions in the same time impartially.

Therefore, all the human beings are the children of the same God and hence there must be brotherly hood between all the human beings.
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February 24th, 2012, 06:47
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You sure have a harsh world view. Spending money for wrong persons puts me in hell for eternity! I'm sure its going to be crowded there!

And how about taxes As a taxpayer I cannot be in controll where politicians spend our hard earned credits (like supporting Greece!)
You must pay tax as per the rules of the government. The officials should avoid corruption, but simple emotional appeals will not help in this to avoid corruption.

Corruption is grabbing the wealth of others for the sake of comforts of one’s own body and family. The body is like a seat in the train and you, the soul, are the passenger. The family members are like just bench-mates in the same train. For the comfort of yourself and your bench-mates, if you trouble other passengers in the train, it is corruption. Life is just a matter of a short one-hour train journey. Your bench-mates will get down at their respective destinations and will not remember you thereafter. Even you will have to leave your seat and move on.

After death, you have to leave your family members, who will not recognize you in their next birth. After getting down from the train of this life, you have to face the interview with God. There he will decide if you are to be granted permanent happiness or permanent misery. Therefore, you must concentrate on the preparation for this grand interview even during your journey through this life. Do not worry about the comforts of your own seat and that of your bench-mates. You will have to leave your own seats and all the bench-mates behind anyway. The bonds with your bench-mates (family members) are temporary and unreal. Sankara says that whatever is temporary must be unreal. The bond, which did not exist before and will not exist in future, does not exist even in the present time. Such spiritual realization is a must for getting a permanent control over corruption.
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February 24th, 2012, 06:51
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Funny how in the Bible God both allows and encourages the eating of meat!!
Non-vegetarian food by it self is not a sin since the analysis of it shows that its contents are the same as exist in vegetarian food. The sin comes by killing a co-living being, which does not harm you at all. If you stop taking non-vegetarian food, killing of living beings is proportionally controlled. Do not say that you are not getting sin since you have not killed the living being directly.

Killing is the highest sin, which gives highest pain to the living being. In the next birth, the killed living being will be born as human being, you will be born as the living being and you will be killed similarly by the human being so that your soul will realize the pain and get reformed.
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February 24th, 2012, 06:54
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Hmm sounds like you're experiencing one of those Philip K Dick-esque beams of light there dattaswami. You might want to get that looked into, it didn't end well for 'ol Phil.
The boundary of the Universe need not be made of the same material (five elements). A metallic wheel may have a plastic ring around its edge. Therefore, the boundary of the Universe need not be made of the same imaginable material. The boundary is unimaginable means that the boundary is made of unimaginable material i.e., God.

Even if you say that the diameter of the Universe is some billions of light years, is there a compound wall in the edge of the boundary? If there is such wall what is present beyond that wall? If you say that space is present beyond that wall, space is also a part of the Universe (one of the five elements). The theory of bending of the space around object proves that space is the most subtle energy. Therefore, the diameter of the Universe is infinite. The theory of constant expansion of Universe is also meaningless because expansion of any material requires the existence of space different from the material.

When space or subtle energy is the basic material of the Universe, the word ‘expansion’ becomes ridiculous. The infinity of the Universe stands for the existence of unimaginable entity beyond the Universe existing from the boundary of Universe. Unless you accept the unimaginable region beyond the boundary of Universe, you cannot speak of the end of imaginable boundary of the Universe. All this discussion will clearly establish the existence of unimaginable region or God beyond the Universe.
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February 24th, 2012, 07:16
Now regarding your cow slaughter, i should say that one should not kill a living being. You must not kill any living being for the sake of your food.
What am I supposed to sustain myself on, fresh air and sunlight?

God has given enough vegetable food that contains all the ingredients present in the non-vegetarian food
Plants are living beings and therefore should not be killed for the sake of my food.
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February 24th, 2012, 07:22
I warned you to stop spamming. Now I have no choice. Can you hear the frightened cows scream as I place them on the altar to the blood god? They are saying: "Dattaswami, why couldn't you keep your Hinduism contained in a single page? Why were you so greedy for digital space? Now our bloody deaths will forever be a stain on your karma mooooooo."
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February 24th, 2012, 07:25
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What am I supposed to sustain myself on, fresh air and sunlight?

Plants are living beings and therefore should not be killed for the sake of my food.
A goat is a pure vegetarian but you are eating that goat also. When you find a human being, who is a murderer, will you kill him directly or hand over him to the court? Assuming that the fish is also a murderer, you cannot kill it directly. God will punish it. In the case of the fish, you need not file a case against the fish in the court of the God, because there is no need of such filing in the case of God. Moreover you are raising your voice against the hanging of a murderer stating, “If you cannot give life, you have no right to take it away”.

You are also pleading that hanging is the most barbaric deed and that several countries have banned it. Your statement applies to the fish also, which is a murderer of the creatures. Life is common in the human being as well as the fish. Both are living beings. If you don’t have right to take away the life of a human being, you have also no right to take the life of the fish also. The Dharma Shastras say that non-voilence is the highest justice (Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah).

If you say that the fish kills the creatures for food and that there is no sin, there should not be sin if cornivorous hunters from forest enter the city and start eating the human beings. You should not object their food also, but you will kill them because your fellow human beings are killed. If you broaden your heart and see the fish as your fellow living being, you are practicing the highest form of justice, which pleases the Lord. You cannot compare the plants with animals and birds. Even in the case of plants, the green plants should not be cut.

Plucking leaves and fruits is not killing. The crops are cut only when they die after loosing the sign of the life, which is the Green Chlorophyll. In plants life exists but mind and intelligence do not exist.

Life is called as Pranamaya Kosa. Mind is Manomaya Kosa. Intelligence is Vijnanamaya Kosa. The life is only inert mechanism of exchange process of Oxygen and Carbondioxide and release of energy by oxidation. This mechanism has no awareness of the pain. The mind is represented by the nervous system, which is not present in the plants. The mind may be in very very primitive stage in plants as per the research of Mr. Bose. The ancient Indian sages avoided even plucking the leaves and fruits. They ate leaves and fruits when they have fallen from the plants (Swayam Viseerna Dhruva Patra Vruttita). They avoided this trace of sin also. In plucking the leaf and killing an animal, the sin is qualitatively equal, but there is a lot of quantitative difference.

One percent sin and hundred percent sin cannot be equated. Your argument concludes that if one does one percent sin, why not hundred percent sin be done? This equates to your statement that if one plucks a leaf why not we kill an animal. Are you pained equally if I steal one rupee or one lakh rupees from your pocket. The trace of sin can always be neglected. The Lord came as Bhuddha and preached this non-voilence. Veda also says that one should kill his animal nature in the sacrifice and not the animal (Manyuh Pasuh).
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February 24th, 2012, 08:28
Re-incarnation in any form is totally contrary to Biblical teaching. For example: It is given unto man to die ONCE and then the Judgement. Further, God demanded animal sacrifice of the Jews as an atonement FOR sin, therefore killing animals cannot BE a sin!! Sorry mate, but with me you are outgunned. I've lectured in this stuff.

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February 24th, 2012, 08:34
Do not try to tell me what the words used by Jesus mean; I specialise in this and you are wrong in your interpretation. Secondly, we can agree Jesus is God, so why didn't you try to show where either of the others claim to be God?

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February 24th, 2012, 08:39
Glyph, toss some of that prime beef on a BBQ for me and my mates, grab a beer and let's have a party!!

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February 24th, 2012, 08:43
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Killing is the highest sin, which gives highest pain to the living being.
But the time of death is the top most misery and misery in life is inevitable for enjoyment. Therefore killing is spreading the joy!
God makes a lot of weird and confusing demands doesn't he? I like satan myself, he's more fun. Please, give me the Satan-worshiping family down the block … the ones that have the good albums.

"I am not interested in good; I am interested in new, even if this includes the possibility of it's being evil"
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February 24th, 2012, 09:15
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I warned you to stop spamming. Now I have no choice. Can you hear the frightened cows scream as I place them on the altar to the blood god? They are saying: "Dattaswami, why couldn't you keep your Hinduism contained in a single page? Why were you so greedy for digital space? Now our bloody deaths will forever be a stain on your karma mooooooo."
Please avoid emotions, which deactivate the brain and suppress the logical analysis. Emotion or anger is inversely proportional to knowledge. Let us discuss at length and in-depth with love and patience and with full harmony to each other avoiding the personal criticism. Let us concentrate all our attention on the critical subject only. I will come to your path if you convince me and the vice-versa is left to your will and pleasure.

Every point is a common point and belongs to both of us and we are trying to search the truth by sincere discussions so that both of us shall be benefited by the established truth at the end. One of us will correct his point and such correction is not personal correction. It is only correction of our common point. I am not wrong if my point is wrong. Similar is the case with you. I am not identified with any point, nor yourself. Both of us are analysing a substance because you say that it is chloride and I say that it is bromide. On analysis we shall find the truth and the true knowledge of the substance belongs to both of us. Neither you are chloride nor I am the bromide.

If it is proved as chloride I am not disproved. Only my point is disproved. One should not identify himself with any point in knowledge and should not feel himself rejected when his point is rejected. In such a state only the spiritual discussions can proceed to any length of time and to any extent of depth till we find the truth. If any one identifies with a point, he will never change since he feels that he himself has to change. He is not changing since he is changing a common point and attaining a true point. He changes his bad shirt and is wearing a good shirt. He is not any shirt. If this concept is realised the discussion can become meaningful. Otherwise the debate is a waste.
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February 24th, 2012, 09:19
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Re-incarnation in any form is totally contrary to Biblical teaching. For example: It is given unto man to die ONCE and then the Judgement. Further, God demanded animal sacrifice of the Jews as an atonement FOR sin, therefore killing animals cannot BE a sin!! Sorry mate, but with me you are outgunned. I've lectured in this stuff.
Killing for eating is sin. People used to kill and eat. Any way such people are going to kill and eat even if GOd advices them to stop that. Thefreore, atleast these people submit the flesh before God , before eating that way atleast these people will remember GOd! God is always against killing whether it is a christian, Hindu or muslim or any other relgion. Killing is a sin.

In Hinduism also some ignorant people killed animals as a sacrifice to God. The Veda says to kill an animal in the sacrifice to offer to God. Here, the Veda does not encourage the killing of animals. Even without the Veda, the human being kills the animals to eat them. Here, the Veda asks the human being to offer the killed animal to God first and then to eat. The Veda is not responsible for killing the animals in the ritual. It is only responsible for the offering of food to God. The Veda adds the offering to God after killing the animal, which is already an existing tendency in the human being. Similarly, the tradition need not be blamed to exploit the love on parents through the ritual. The already existing love on parents is exploited to divert an ignorant person to love God through the ritual in which the prayers to God are offered.
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But the time of death is the top most misery and misery in life is inevitable for enjoyment. Therefore killing is spreading the joy!
God makes a lot of weird and confusing demands doesn't he? I like satan myself, he's more fun. Please, give me the Satan-worshiping family down the block … the ones that have the good albums.
God is not making any weird or confusion. The wierd and confusion is due to your wrong interpretation and thinking!

Yes enjoying even ones own death is the greatest. God created this entire creation along with human beings. God created this universe for HIs own entertainment. The aim of human beings is to realise God.

Some people ask from where Satan came and from what source he got his power? The answer is that the same producer and director of the movie, who appointed one actor as hero has appointed another as the villain. The villain is also remunerated like the hero. Sometimes the producer-cum-director can enter the movie in the role of a hero and such a role is called as the human incarnation of the Lord. The villain opposes the hero in the cinema. The hero wins over the villain, giving a good message to the spectators. But remember that the hero, who is the producer, has remunerated the villain and also directed every action of the villain as the director of the whole picture.
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February 24th, 2012, 09:23
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Do not try to tell me what the words used by Jesus mean; I specialise in this and you are wrong in your interpretation. Secondly, we can agree Jesus is God, so why didn't you try to show where either of the others claim to be God?


When you are worshipping the statue or photo of the past human incarnation, your photo or statue also indicates the eternal Lord existed in that human body. The Lord being eternal exists even today. Therefore, your photo indicates the Lord existing today. The statue or photo only indicates the existence of the Lord in a human form. It does not mean that the Lord existed only in that human body and is not present in any human body later on. If the Lord can exist in one human body, what is the objection for the Lord to exist in another human body also?

Once the concept of the existence of the Lord in human body is accepted, you must not have any objection to accept the Lord in another human body also. When you say that the current flows in this wire, you should not object the possibility of the flow of same current in another similar wire. If you object, you are a blind, rigid, ignorant lay- man and you can never be called as a scientist. Such conservative people will never change and even the liquid fire in the hell cannot change them. When Jesus told that one could approach the God through Him only it means that one can approach the unimaginable God through the medium of human form only and does not mean that one can approach the unimaginable God through that particular human body called as Jesus only.
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