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Diablo 3 - German vzbv Sends Blizzard Cease&Desist
June 21st, 2012, 22:35
Apparently the official German consumer advice centre (vzbv) was not amused by the stuff Blizzard printed on the Diablo 3 box. Or rather by the things they allegedly forgot to mention.
The vzbv believes Blizzard breaks German law by either not mentioning the following points or not explaining them with sufficient clarity:
Found at GamersGlobal.de, who also have additional infos in their column the games lawyer.
More information.
The vzbv believes Blizzard breaks German law by either not mentioning the following points or not explaining them with sufficient clarity:
- permanent internet connection required
- Battle.net registration is not a one-time procedure to enter a key
- D3 can only be used if the player creates a personalized account on Battle.net
Found at GamersGlobal.de, who also have additional infos in their column the games lawyer.
More information.
June 21st, 2012, 22:41
It imho depends on how clearly the information was printed on the package.
I really don't know. To me, this case is unique, but it is alreadyknown that laws say that a permanent internet connection MUST be printed on the package, if it is required.. And, as far as i understood the text, the package didn't have the word "permanent" on it. Which is clearly against the laws.
About the other stuff : I really don't know.
Edit : Points 2 & 3 really mean, as far as I have understood it, that entering a key (a registration key, of course) would mean that this game can be played offline as well. But as everyone knows, this is not the case. The package seems to miss the important information that the game can ONLY be played with a personalized account (and German official Data Protectors are very twitchy about personalization and unnecessarily giving away personal data !) and not only by simply entering a reg key. And on top of all that, playing is only possible in online mode. Nothing offline anymore.
Abnd they argue that this important information isn't clearly enough on the package.
I suspect that someone had already sent a complaint about all of this to the vzbz, because usually they don't take that detailed looks at games. Although they sometimes indeed do.
I really don't know. To me, this case is unique, but it is alreadyknown that laws say that a permanent internet connection MUST be printed on the package, if it is required.. And, as far as i understood the text, the package didn't have the word "permanent" on it. Which is clearly against the laws.
About the other stuff : I really don't know.
Edit : Points 2 & 3 really mean, as far as I have understood it, that entering a key (a registration key, of course) would mean that this game can be played offline as well. But as everyone knows, this is not the case. The package seems to miss the important information that the game can ONLY be played with a personalized account (and German official Data Protectors are very twitchy about personalization and unnecessarily giving away personal data !) and not only by simply entering a reg key. And on top of all that, playing is only possible in online mode. Nothing offline anymore.
Abnd they argue that this important information isn't clearly enough on the package.
I suspect that someone had already sent a complaint about all of this to the vzbz, because usually they don't take that detailed looks at games. Although they sometimes indeed do.
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“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
June 21st, 2012, 22:46
I expect Blizzard getting into all kinds of troubles for their handling of D3.
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June 21st, 2012, 22:48
Yes there is a thing called justice.
There not the first company to lie on the box description.
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June 21st, 2012, 22:50
In an related article in the "the games lawyer" series, there is reported that Blizzard already won Germany's "Big Brother Award" for collecting too much personal data. http://www.gamersglobal.de/news/5231…-fuer-blizzard
The whole series can be found here : http://www.gamersglobal.de/exklusiv/games-anwalt
Edit : EA already accepted a similar (similar to the Blizzard case) cease & desist letter regarding Origin : http://www.gamersglobal.de/news/5347…serklaerung-ab
The whole series can be found here : http://www.gamersglobal.de/exklusiv/games-anwalt
Edit : EA already accepted a similar (similar to the Blizzard case) cease & desist letter regarding Origin : http://www.gamersglobal.de/news/5347…serklaerung-ab
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“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
June 21st, 2012, 22:59
I personally think it's hilarious. Perhaps the EU can start their recovery off the corpse of D3, muhahaha!!! Do not mess with zee Germans!
-Carn
-Carn
Keeper of the Watch
June 22nd, 2012, 00:09
They also forgot the disclaimer that they're only leasing you the game until such time as running the servers is no longer profitable, or the company goes under.
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June 22nd, 2012, 03:13
Vee have vays of making yoo talk.
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June 22nd, 2012, 11:59
Originally Posted by screegNot quite. German law is a bit different than U.S. law.
They also forgot the disclaimer that they're only leasing you the game until such time as running the servers is no longer profitable, or the company goes under.
As far as I have understood it - and I'm not a lawyer, mind you, German law says that a buyer actually owns the software package. Deconstruction, disassembling and reverse engineering is not allowed, but you really OWN the package. No leasing.
I don't know,however, what's REALLY standing on the package - simply because I was never interested in buying the game.
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“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
June 22nd, 2012, 13:19
Originally Posted by Alrik FassbauerAdd beer to this… I want to live in Germany!!!
Not quite. German law is a bit different than U.S. law.
As far as I have understood it - and I'm not a lawyer, mind you, German law says that a buyer actually owns the software package. Deconstruction, disassembling and reverse engineering is not allowed, but you really OWN the package. No leasing.
June 22nd, 2012, 14:03
I must admit I 'gleed' when I read this ;-) But I'm sure Blizz will find some way to weasel out of this.
June 22nd, 2012, 16:15
Originally Posted by boobooMaybe, maybe not… but more likely not. We have extremely strong pro-consumerist legislation/jurisdiction in Germany so it wouldn't surprise me if Blizzard would end up signing the C&D to avoid a court trial that they would most likely lose due to said pro-consumerist tendencies.
But I'm sure Blizz will find some way to weasel out of this.
June 22nd, 2012, 17:53
I too want to move to Germany.
I'm a quarter German on my mother's side, love the food, love the bier, and love DSA. Now, I just need to convince the wife.
I'm a quarter German on my mother's side, love the food, love the bier, and love DSA. Now, I just need to convince the wife.
June 22nd, 2012, 18:17
They'll sign it, no doubt. Those Blizzard weasels will not mess with zee Germans.
-Carn
-Carn
Keeper of the Watch
June 22nd, 2012, 22:15
Originally Posted by Alrik FassbauerDoesn't really matter. You may own the content in Germany but since the content won't work without the servers and since the servers are NOT located in Germany there is not much German law can do about it. This is the internet we're talking about and thus a lot of convoluted international trade laws applies where there are always loopholes where national laws can't touch you.
Not quite. German law is a bit different than U.S. law.
As far as I have understood it - and I'm not a lawyer, mind you, German law says that a buyer actually owns the software package. Deconstruction, disassembling and reverse engineering is not allowed, but you really OWN the package. No leasing.
I don't know,however, what's REALLY standing on the package - simply because I was never interested in buying the game.
At best this will make Blizzard reconsider their approach to marketing/packaging (that would be great and a certain Win scenario for gamers around the globe) and at worsts Blizzard will stop selling games in Germany (Lose/Lose scenario for all parties … unless you're a Blizzard hater
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"Chess in particular had always annoyed him. It was the dumb way the pawns went off and slaughtered their fellow pawns while the kings lounged about doing nothing that always got to him; if only the pawns united, maybe talked the rooks around, the whole board could've been a republic in a dozen moves." - Commander Vimes in Thud! by Terry Pratchett
June 23rd, 2012, 21:33
Originally Posted by fatBastard()Official Data Protectors are concerned about this regarding to "Cloud" Services.
and since the servers are NOT located in Germany
Stealing of data by the Secret Service of the country the servers stand in is feared.
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“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
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