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August 29th, 2012, 21:46
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/…ican-platform/

Scary reading. In particular, barring abortions, and gay marriage. Any rational being planning to vote Republican this year should have second thoughts.
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August 29th, 2012, 23:53
I have no problem with barring abortion and gay marriage and I'm definitely an extremely rational person.

If God said it, then that settles it!!

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August 30th, 2012, 02:23
Irrational people are incapable of making that assessment.
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August 30th, 2012, 03:14
Many Christians dont support gay marriage and abortion. News at 11.
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August 30th, 2012, 05:13
Pretend "Christians" care of Faux News.
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August 30th, 2012, 05:28
Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
Irrational people are incapable of making that assessment.
Strange, I've always thought that people who supported gay marriage and/or abortion were totally irrational!!

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August 30th, 2012, 05:44
You guys need to start by defining rational to each other

@Corwin & others: The point is that "marriage" is just a name for a union between two people. You can call it porridge for all I care and I understand that some churches shouldn't have to marry/porry to same-sex people if they don't want as that should be THEIR choice. However, in the same regard, according to state laws, men and women should be treated equally in my opinion and so anyone who chooses to have state laws protecting them by rights of marriage/porridge should as well.

This is my rationale -> Logical thought process. Equality for men and women. Right to have rights for both men and women.

Abortion is a more delicate matter, since you have to start by defining life, which is very complicated to do. My opinion though is that it should be the mother's choice, but that at the same time, it shouldn't be TOO easy to do. Exactly how to do that is hard too in my opinion. So basically, I understand why many struggle with this issue. I'm not a woman though, so I think it's very important for men to try and imagine carrying a child you would not want and at best MIGHT grow to love and at worst you'd dump the child at an adoption centre them moment it is born… Again, this is very complicated. I'm very much in favour of European laws as far as I understand them, which allow for the persons to choose what to do. This allows religious couples not to abort, non-religious couples who are against abortion not to abort, and people who want to abort have that option too.

Hope that logic makes sense too
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August 31st, 2012, 02:20
Let's keep all the fun related to the convention in one place. It might be infectious.

Check this out

Paul Ryan’s brazen lies

and a list of other media pushback, even from Faux News of all places.

LYIN' RYAN: ALL THE MEDIA PUSHBACK
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August 31st, 2012, 03:02
What, fox described it as dazzling. I stopped reading there but I'm sure that's the gist of it.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/…#ixzz252BejeYA

Though that contributor is perhaps a bit on the liberal side compared to others used by them. The majority of pieces I've found major news services so far do highlight one thing clearly and consistently though - we've reached a high watermark for news outlets' ineptitude and downright uselessness in providing this sort of analysis.

That includes the fact checking articles. Even when absolutely right they are almost absolutely useless when partitioned outside of normal coverage and broader editorial pieces.
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August 31st, 2012, 05:47
Well isn't it convenient that you stopped reading the Fox News article once it laid out all the lies he made.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/…n-three-words/

2. Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.


Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.


Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.


Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.


Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

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August 31st, 2012, 06:18
Politicians lie. News at 11.
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August 31st, 2012, 08:20
Well isn't it convenient that you stopped reading the Fox News article once it laid out all the lies he made.
You did realize that was a joke right?
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August 31st, 2012, 11:57
Since you seem so willing to dismiss the truth, no.
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August 31st, 2012, 15:45
Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
Since you seem so willing to dismiss the truth, no.
What the hell are you talking about? Did you think I meant the fact check articles were wrong? That's not what I meant at all; whether a fact check is done as party of a cogent comprehensive analysis/discussion featured prominently in the coverage is mostly decided by the ideology of the commentator and expected ideology of the viewing audience. This was perhaps more obvious in CNN's online coverage where they gave reactions from all of their staff commentators in one long article; liberals fact checked but were identified as such so conservatives could skip them and conservatives gushed and were identified as conservatives so liberals could skip them. This makes it easier to for viewers who would potentially benefit from these facts to comfortably avoid them.

You seem to have inserted intent and meaning into what I said that is not there at all. I said that the fact checking articles were useless because the only people they'd convince of anything - in that format and presentation - was people who were already inclined to believe them in the first place. The article I linked to explained that; this effect means that perfectly accurate and wholly unbiased fact checking is just about as useless as partisan misinformation presented as such. That is why the uselessness of fact checking taken out of a more comprehensive coverage is independent of whether or not they're right. That should have been obvious if you read it. It's an interesting study demonstrating that people presented with misinformation hold to that incorrect idea even when subsequently presented facts which dispute it. I guess you were just too ready to dismiss that though.

No you started with the presumption that the joke I made was earnest and then based your interpretation of what I said on that. So when I mentioned the contributor was more liberal than other fox news contributors you assumed that was me dismissing the article. Though any small amount of thinking would have told you this made no sense to infer - if you thought the joke serious than there would have been nothing I had read to dismiss. No I was mentioning this because I don't think this can honestly be portrayed as "Fox news" calling him on things but one contributor whose fact-checking is partitioned away from the main news programming and easily avoidable by those customers who don't want to hear it.

Perhaps you thought I meant that most media is useless in performing this sort of analysis because it is liberal? No - it uselessness comes from either a full embrace of a partisan outlook (Fox and most MSNBC programming) in some cases and an embrace of the fallacy that there are two equal opposing opinions about everything (CNN's mind-sucking round-tables and on-air assertions that factual inaccuracies might be alright).

You have to do something more involved and difficult if you actually want to do your job as a journalist and get the truth of things out there - but this is hard and takes time and still risks alienating those who disagree so they don't do that so much anymore. To this extent they have taken the fact checking out of analysis and partitioned it off into its own little section - where nobody who is not already inclined to find fault with a candidate will pay attention to it. That's the point of that article I linked to - it explains how facts presented as such do not do a very good job of correcting misinformation.
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August 31st, 2012, 15:47
Originally Posted by jhwisner View Post
What the hell are you talking about
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August 31st, 2012, 15:56
You know, I keep waiting for that damn news to roll around, but it never seems to get here. It's just more and more of these teasers…

Sorry. No pearls of wisdom in this oyster.
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August 31st, 2012, 19:35
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily…145223432.html

Both sides are lying to get elected. Imagine that.

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August 31st, 2012, 19:58
One commentator in the press here feared that the U.S. 2-parties system might push a wedge into the U.S. society, thus creating a schism - and even more extremity on both sides.

“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
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August 31st, 2012, 21:17
It's already happened. And comments like both sides are doing it doesn't help. There's also the matter of degree and the source. A candidate and national strategy based on a pack of lies is much worse than pundits making up a few lies as they go.
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August 31st, 2012, 23:42
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It's already happened. And comments like both sides are doing it doesn't help. There's also the matter of degree and the source. A candidate and national strategy based on a pack of lies is much worse than pundits making up a few lies as they go.
Its not so much even about both sides doing anything how one or either of them can get away with it to the extent they do. That problem comes in part from a news media that is completely incapable of delivering these facts in a way that actually reaches people who believe the falsehoods to be true - whenever they occur. That requires they be part of a more comprehensive commentary that approaches viewers who may have been taken in from a point of respect and understanding first and foremost. That's slow and its hard to get right and not sound (or be) disingenuous so they don't do it. Much easier to save that for an online blog post or a throw-away segment that viewers can just ignore if they don't like the cognitive dissonance.
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