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November 6th, 2012, 20:47
PC Gamer's Tom Senior writes How Diablo 3's endgame failed:
The auction house is all-consuming at high levels in Diablo 3. Drop rates have been modified upwards extensively since launch and the Paragon levels added in a recent patch lets players increase drop rates by 3% with every ding. Nonetheless, I canít remember the last time a usable item dropped for my level 60 Barbarian. The odds that Iíll discover anything that I can directly equip seem absurdly small. At Inferno level, gear is everything. Youíre as tough as the armour youíre wearing. To get precisely what youíll need, the auction house is the only viable option.
Diablo 3 has become a game about gold. Its endgame, with the auction house at its heart, is about slow, incremental progression, cash runs and repeated boss raids. It relies on grind-heavy objectives that feel very different to the rush of new skills I enjoyed on the journey to level 60.
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November 6th, 2012, 20:47
The think I understood of that article:

Diablo 3 is actually a MMO made so players can buy game time for WoW by grinding stuff and selling them in the Auction House and gaining cross-game currency.

In other word, Blizzard is just feeding the addicts and making a few $ in the process.
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November 6th, 2012, 20:57
I feel like taking a red marker to that article and writing "See me after class". The only point I think he gets right is about the lack of guild support, and that's being generous as he seems to believe lack of support means there are no clans/guilds.
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November 6th, 2012, 21:03
Originally Posted by azarhal View Post
The think I understood of that article:

Diablo 3 is actually a MMO made so players can buy game time for WoW by grinding stuff and selling them in the Auction House and gaining cross-game currency.

In other word, Blizzard is just feeding the addicts and making a few $ in the process.
Keep in mind that he seems to barely know how to play. It's like reading a article on baseball by a guy who is confused on the concept of innings.
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November 6th, 2012, 21:57
Sorry, he is right. Diablo is a MMO.
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November 6th, 2012, 22:04
I didn't read the whole article, just the quoted part, but I don't see why the auction house is such a bad thing. I actually like the idea of having to use the auction house at high level to get gear for your character. I personally wouldn't pay real money for the items, but in-game gold is fine. At least the game gives you an opportunity to actually spend the gold you have amassed over the course of the game. Not all RPGs have things worth spending gold on.
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November 6th, 2012, 22:05
I played both D1 and D2 (and their expansions) to completion. I made it to Act II of D3 and quit. Just wasn't fun and felt too much like an endless treadmill. No thanks.

If I'm right but there is no wife around to acknowledge it, am I still right?
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November 6th, 2012, 22:40
I loved D1 and D2. Sadly, D3 just seems like a big ripoff, and I have no desire to get it.
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November 6th, 2012, 22:43
Diablo 3 has cross-game currency shared with WoW??

Oh wait, you meant players selling for real money so they can buy WoW time. Blegh, why would anyone do that…
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November 7th, 2012, 02:54
Would have been a much shorter article if he simply explained how it didn't.
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November 7th, 2012, 08:59
Its funny really

Diablo 3

The game has superb gameplay. Excellent graphic and atmosphere. Way better than anything else in genre.

But.
Most of features promised were removed for some strange reason. Including map randomization , random quests mostly killed.

All in order to pass trough 4 terribly written (probably the worst game plot by blizzard) levels - that are always the same but with more HP on monsters.

Basically , not only that its grind. But they deliberately made it a grind of same thing over and over.

Who ever thought of this should be put in mental hospital.

The game did sell good in begging. I think it has horrible retention. And I doubt anyone buys it anymore. I was trying to sell my account , people thought it was a joke.
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November 7th, 2012, 09:52
Biggest problem with the game is the itemization and skill system. The first has a very detrimental effect on your desire to keep up the loot hunt - and the second means you have little to no reason to replay the game.

Just about the two most vital features in Diablo - and they managed to mess them both up by relying on the inevitably short-term feedback through endless iterative testing.
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November 7th, 2012, 19:09
First game is still my favorite. It just had character.
Diablo 3 has become a game about gold. Its endgame, with the auction house at its heart, is about slow, incremental progression, cash runs and repeated boss raids. It relies on grind-heavy objectives that feel very different to the rush of new skills I enjoyed on the journey to level 60.
Isn't that a point-for-point description of WoW?

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November 7th, 2012, 20:31
Originally Posted by DArtagnan View Post
Biggest problem with the game is the itemization and skill system. The first has a very detrimental effect on your desire to keep up the loot hunt - and the second means you have little to no reason to replay the game.

Just about the two most vital features in Diablo - and they managed to mess them both up by relying on the inevitably short-term feedback through endless iterative testing.
Are you saying that they didn't playtest for multiple runs all the way to high level characters? They certainly had enough time.
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November 7th, 2012, 21:17
Originally Posted by TheMadGamer View Post
an endless treadmill.
Isn't that what most RPGs boil down to in the end though? Diablo has simply taken that formula to the extreme, by introducing an auction house and having the player repeat boss runs and grind at high level.

But really, how else would a developer develop end game content in a game like Diablo? For one thing, most Diablo players prefer grinding. Besides, the game's content can only be interesting and fresh for so long. 60 levels of content is a ton of content, so once you're done with that, then what? At least Blizzard has given you the option to grind away for high level loot. It's a very rudimentary way to extend the game and many people appreciate the option that Blizzard has given them.

This guy complaining in the article is expecting what? An endless amount of unique, interesting content? At some point the game has to end and the content has to be over. Again, Blizzard has given you the option of grinding to keep the game going for longer than a normal game would last. I think that's a good thing.
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November 7th, 2012, 21:40
NO, only bad RPGs feature an endless treadmill. The best ones have endings (at least for me).
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November 7th, 2012, 22:03
From what I understand, you can finish the game just fine if that's what you choose to do. Or you can grind endlessly and collect loot if you want. You have that option.
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November 7th, 2012, 22:55
The original Diablos were designed to endlessly grind as well as have stories that ended. This is consistent with those. The problem is that "endless grind" has a bad connotation here. But not in the originals, becasue for them it was more interesting and less "grindy".
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November 7th, 2012, 23:31
Grinding for uninteresting bits of gold to spend on the AH is never going to be as fun as hearing the TINK! of an amulet or ring dropping. Or the realization that some unique piece of armor just dropped.

The problem with D3 is that they made Inferno combat incredibly un-fun. And then proceeded to dull any and all personal achievements (ie. loot drops) with the implementation of a one stop shopping mall.
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November 8th, 2012, 00:27
I disagree with that first part Drithius. Saving up gold for some uber item on the auction house sounds just as fun as getting a drop if you ask me. It gives you something to shoot for. Once you save up that amount of gold it will feel awesome to know you can finally purchase your item.

I remember playing Final Fantasy 11 and saving up my gold to buy items at the auction house. It was pretty rewarding and fun. I imagine some people would prefer hand choosing their items rather than random drops anyway.

I just don't see that as a downfall for Blizzard, but to each their own.
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