|
Your continuous donations keep RPGWatch running!
RPGWatch Forums » Comments » News Comments » RPG Codex - The Lists to Dwarf Them All

Default RPG Codex - The Lists to Dwarf Them All

March 26th, 2013, 22:46
The combat SYSTEM is good. However, the actual combat was not always good because of AI issues, balance issues and pacing issues. At times though, when things came together, it was a lot of fun. But due to rushed and buggy game design, that did not happen anywhere nearly as often as it should (though I never tried any of the fan patches).

Originally Posted by Sir_Brennus View Post
This is one topic that should be debated more often. IMHO ToEE has a faithful TB adaption of the 3.5 D&D rules (which are the known best), but is the combat really good?
fadedc is offline

fadedc

Keeper of the Watch

#41

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,008

Default 

March 26th, 2013, 22:55
Dungeon Lords > Fallout 1

"For Innos!"
ToddMcF2002 is offline

ToddMcF2002

ToddMcF2002's Avatar
SasqWatch

#42

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Boston MA
Posts: 2,226

Default 

March 26th, 2013, 23:17
This is a horrible list, there are some good games listed no doubt…but wow.

If you don't stand behind your troops, feel free to stand in front.
rune_74 is offline

rune_74

SasqWatch

#43

Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,918

Default 

March 26th, 2013, 23:25
30 different gamers = 30 different preferences.
rjshae is offline

rjshae

Bob
RPGWatch Donor

#44

Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,306

Default 

March 26th, 2013, 23:27
Originally Posted by fadedc View Post
The combat SYSTEM is good. However, the actual combat was not always good because of AI issues, balance issues and pacing issues. At times though, when things came together, it was a lot of fun. But due to rushed and buggy game design, that did not happen anywhere nearly as often as it should (though I never tried any of the fan patches).
Try circle of eight mod that removes all those issues and adds lot to game.Actually for lot of games on the list unofficial patches are must have(PS:T, Arcanum, VtM:Bloodlines, ToEE).
Nameless one is offline

Nameless one

Nameless one's Avatar
Keeper of the Watch

#45

Join Date: May 2012
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,093

Default 

March 26th, 2013, 23:44
So true. One must judiciously evaluate and apply fan made patches/improvements. The CO8 mod for ToEE is apparently a must. I used it, and had no issues whatsover.
Thrasher is offline

Thrasher

Thrasher's Avatar
Wheeee!
RPGWatch Donor

#46

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Studio City, CA
Posts: 9,849

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 00:33
Originally Posted by rune_74 View Post
This is a horrible list, there are some good games listed no doubt…but wow.
Has Shroud of the Avatar made your top ten yet?
rossrjensen is offline

rossrjensen

Sentinel

#47

Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 593

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 01:27
So New Vegas and Morrowind (both at number 9) are the only games to make the top "10" in the past ten years?? Ooops, no, Morrowind was almost 11 years ago.
Zloth is offline

Zloth

Zloth's Avatar
I smell a… wumpus!?

#48

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 2,645

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 01:33
Originally Posted by ToddMcF2002 View Post
Dungeon Lords > Fallout 1
now that takes courage
xSamhainx is offline

xSamhainx

xSamhainx's Avatar
Paws of Doom

#49

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Diego, Ca
Posts: 4,615

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 05:31
Originally Posted by rossrjensen View Post
Has Shroud of the Avatar made your top ten yet?


No, but at least Ultima, bards tale and wizardry sure have…

Maybe not your list because you are most likely 10 with that last line.

If you don't stand behind your troops, feel free to stand in front.
rune_74 is offline

rune_74

SasqWatch

#50

Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,918

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 08:58
If I was them I would have grouped things like Fallout 1/2 and BG1/2 into single entries allowing for a bit more space for things like Ultima and Wizardry. Everyone needs a bit of variety. I can't imagine Icewind dale 1 would feature on many peoples top 10, top 20 probably yes. Dunno how Gothic 2 can't make a top 10, it is such a satisfying complete crpg experience - story, npcs, challenge, secrets etc.

Favourite RPGs of all time: Wizardry 6, Ultima 7/7.2, Fallout2, Planescape Torment, Baldurs Gate 2+TOB, Jagged Alliance 2, Ravenloft: The stone prophet, Gothic 2, Realms of Arkania:Blade of destiny (not the HD version!!) and Secret of the Silver Blades.
bjon045 is offline

bjon045

bjon045's Avatar
Keeper of the Watch

#51

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sigil
Posts: 936

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 11:44
Originally Posted by bjon045 View Post
Dunno how Gothic 2 can't make a top 10, it is such a satisfying complete crpg experience - story, npcs, challenge, secrets etc.
I know that I'm hugely biased but those were also my thoughts until I saw that it just didn't get in the top10 but was 12th. This is obviously (more of) a poll than an "elaborated" list.

I'd just like to interject here and point out that I'm not going to say anything to spoil the mood, Chief. I'll just float here and watch. Don't mind me, just sitting here, floating and watching, that's me.
Kostas is offline

Kostas

Kostas's Avatar
Dormant Watcher

#52

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Dear Green Place
Posts: 1,624

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 12:47
Icewind Dale is hack and slash and very transparent hub and spoke. It is nothing like the BG series really. I can't fathom why it is ranked so high. Then again I can't fathom why half this list is like it is other than its some nostalgic trip or part of the "you're an rpgnoob if you don't love Fallout 1" mindset. Many modern games are far more enjoyable including the less loved titles here such as Fallout 3, NWN2, Mass Effect series, Oblivion, Gothic 3 etc. I'd rank any Spiderweb title above Arcanum or Icewind Dale (but not BG). Really the BG's are the only thing here I agree with.

"For Innos!"
ToddMcF2002 is offline

ToddMcF2002

ToddMcF2002's Avatar
SasqWatch

#53

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Boston MA
Posts: 2,226

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 13:36
Originally Posted by ToddMcF2002 View Post
Icewind Dale is hack and slash and very transparent hub and spoke. It is nothing like the BG series really. I can't fathom why it is ranked so high. Then again I can't fathom why half this list is like it is other than its some nostalgic trip or part of the "you're an rpgnoob if you don't love Fallout 1" mindset. Many modern games are far more enjoyable including the less loved titles here such as Fallout 3, NWN2, Mass Effect series, Oblivion, Gothic 3 etc. I'd rank any Spiderweb title above Arcanum or Icewind Dale (but not BG). Really the BG's are the only thing here I agree with.
I think that writing, atmosphere and reactivity where more factor for list than gameplay(with exceptions of IWD and ToEE which are all about combat) if you look at it that way list makes much more sense.I am bit surprised that NVN2:MotB(11 on list)and KotOR 2(15)are not higher on list,and having them bellow IWD is just wrong.
Nameless one is offline

Nameless one

Nameless one's Avatar
Keeper of the Watch

#54

Join Date: May 2012
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,093

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 14:34
Originally Posted by ToddMcF2002 View Post
Icewind Dale is hack and slash and very transparent hub and spoke. It is nothing like the BG series really. I can't fathom why it is ranked so high. Then again I can't fathom why half this list is like it is other than its some nostalgic trip or part of the "you're an rpgnoob if you don't love Fallout 1" mindset. Many modern games are far more enjoyable including the less loved titles here such as Fallout 3, NWN2, Mass Effect series, Oblivion, Gothic 3 etc. I'd rank any Spiderweb title above Arcanum or Icewind Dale (but not BG). Really the BG's are the only thing here I agree with.
Two things:
1. Again, the list was constructed from essentially a poll of sorts. Keep that in mind when judging this list.

2. Also remember that this is RPG Codex. Go over there and talk about how great ME, Fallout 3, or Oblivion are. See what happens, ;-)
In all seriousness, RPGC saves all of its new Fallout love for FNV, all of its Bethesda love for Morrowind, and all of its Bioware love for BG 1 and 2. Once you leave those bounds, you're more likely to see a game on the "Worst RPGs of All Time" list than the Best. In fact, I know that Fallout 3, Oblivion, DA2, and some of the MEs are pretty popular on the emerging 'Worst' list.

I'm not saying either side is right or wrong. I'm just pointing out that context matters. The RPG Codex is for a particular kind of RPG lover. The fact that so many RTwP games made the top 10 is more a testament to, especially, BG and PS:T's adoration than anything else. RPG Codex is virulent in its support of TB combat over RT and tends to frown on anything more action-y, more console-y, or, to be frank, more streamlined. The fact that the RPGC's owner (DarkUnderlord) nonchalantly states, "Haven't played it. Got bored with the combat system," for -every- RTwP game in the top 10 is especially notable here.
killias2 is online now

killias2

killias2's Avatar
Sentinel

#55

Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 353

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 14:53
Well, thats a pretty cool list. I think I have completed 8 of those games and would be hard pressed not to put those in my own top 10 list.

But then again, its made from a poll of RPG Codex readers, so you can't really look at it with any objectivity. But still interesting.
Foss is offline

Foss

Foss's Avatar
Watchdog

#56

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 198

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 15:00
I loved loved Icewind Dale I. Not sure I'd put it in my top 10 of all time though. But it would still beat out half the mediocre games on that ill-conceived list.
Drithius is online now

Drithius

Drithius's Avatar
Misbegotten Alien

#57

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 2,353

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 15:24
Originally Posted by killias2 View Post
This is just the top 10. The full list is here: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index…results.80194/
Thanks for the link but that "full list" is a joke. Sure most of the most influential games are listed but the ranking must have as well been randomized ! Ultima Underworld 1 & 2 respectively around the 30 and 50 ? Yeah, sure… ! I know every ranking is highly subjective but there are limits.
Gloo is offline

Gloo

Gloo's Avatar
Sentinel

#58

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Chapelle Guillaume
Posts: 302

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 15:40
To Crooked Bee>
So he has a bad sense of humor too ?! Poor lad.
Gloo is offline

Gloo

Gloo's Avatar
Sentinel

#59

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Chapelle Guillaume
Posts: 302

Default 

March 27th, 2013, 22:17
Can't help but feel like the inclusion of ToEE was an egotistical maneuver designed to shout how hardcore this bunch is, but honestly, that list seems partisan towards turn-based mechanics. ToEE above either of the Witcher games or Divine Divinity (DKS for that matter). Gothic series? You people have tunnel vision! Where are the Euro-RPGs that saved my early to mid 2000's from RPG despair?
Melvil is offline

Melvil

Melvil's Avatar
Super Duper Super Sweet

#60

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Barva, Costa Rica
Posts: 612
RPGWatch Forums » Comments » News Comments » RPG Codex - The Lists to Dwarf Them All
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT +2. The time now is 18:11.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright by RPGWatch