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July 31st, 2013, 19:48
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I didn't think you could kill Lord British?
Lord British can be killed in every Ultima game, except for U8 since he wasn't in it.
In Ultima VII, you can off him with the Black Sword or decapitate him with a gold plaque.
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July 31st, 2013, 20:57
Originally Posted by human_male View Post
If all the money goes into the game I wonder what the developers live on.
This always puzzles me. People do realize the majority of any game's budget is developer's wages, right? So when people say "it all goes into the game's budget", that includes developer's wages. There's no way to put money directly into a game, without first going through the actual people working on it, y'know.
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July 31st, 2013, 21:03
Well, the developer in question is Fargo, right? I assume he's a millionaire and doesn't need a regular salary to survive. Didn't he commit $100K himself to Wasteland 2? That's no small amount to have lying around in cash.

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July 31st, 2013, 21:32
Not sure about WL 2, but he did put 100k down for ToN
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July 31st, 2013, 21:36
Wasteland 2 asked for 900k and then he would through in 100k to make it a cool million. Or what I like to call walking around money

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July 31st, 2013, 21:40
Originally Posted by human_male View Post
If all the money goes into the game I wonder what the developers live on.
The developers are the game. He just means that the executives won't be ordering their Ferraris until after the game releases.
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August 1st, 2013, 02:25
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Well, the developer in question is Fargo, right? I assume he's a millionaire and doesn't need a regular salary to survive. Didn't he commit $100K himself to Wasteland 2? That's no small amount to have lying around in cash.
Brian doesn't get any of the WL2 crowdfunding money, no, he said as much during the WL2 Kickstarter. All the other devs do need to get paid, though. And that's the majority of your budget, I'm just confused at (and this is very common on the internet) people who seem to believe you can put money right into a game, apparently not understanding that the majority of most game budgets go to developers and that's what we mean when we say put funds in the game.
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August 1st, 2013, 11:03
Originally Posted by Brother None View Post
This always puzzles me. People do realize the majority of any game's budget is developer's wages, right? So when people say "it all goes into the game's budget", that includes developer's wages. There's no way to put money directly into a game, without first going through the actual people working on it, y'know.
You're right, I obviously didn't think that through.

Don't have to be a cock about it though.
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August 1st, 2013, 11:12
Originally Posted by screeg View Post
Well, the developer in question is Fargo, right? I assume he's a millionaire and doesn't need a regular salary to survive. Didn't he commit $100K himself to Wasteland 2? That's no small amount to have lying around in cash.
It's also a good sign that he's willing to put his money where his mouth is. Same with Mark Jacobs on Camelot Unchained. In future I don't reckon I'll be pledging for green field games on Kickstarter where the producers are making no commitment themselves.
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August 1st, 2013, 12:56
BH, can we get some more (let's say exclusive) detail about how BS detector will work?

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August 1st, 2013, 13:19
Good game design rewards people for being clever, skilled, inventive or otherwise making an effort.

Bad game design rewards people for being "good", "neutral" or "evil".
Then OP quote is totally wrong because not killing x or y makes the gameplay more soft like a reward, ie good: reward, bad: penalty.

OP quote isn't about reward at all but about having weird action choices and relatively logical consequences of those actions. It's in topic of the realism in gameplay, plus about the weirdos kiddish RPG fans wish to be able kill anything.

I definitely think that behind OP quote there's some moral thought, ok you'll be able kill anything but you'll have to face the consequences.

I bet that if you prepare well your murder, no witness, hiding the crime, and so on, you'll get the bad consequences anyway, because it's a morale mechanism, no brain stuff.

I feel it's right to manage such stuff with some morale approach, but I feel it's a lot of time lost for very few. But I know my point of view on this isn't majority.
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August 1st, 2013, 13:26
Originally Posted by Roq View Post
The developers are the game. He just means that the executives won't be ordering their Ferraris until after the game releases.
I'm all about not forgetting the importance of the little hands doing the hard work. But thinking that leading and directing isn't very important into leading a project to quality, is very naive.

I think more that he really wants achieve something special and do know he will get 1000 time the reward after if he succeed, and that it's com choice to not get any money from this project.
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August 2nd, 2013, 00:59
Originally Posted by human_male View Post
Don't have to be a cock about it though.
Oh, sorry, wasn't my intention to be.

BH, can we get some more (let's say exclusive) detail about how BS detector will work?
Sorry, no, but we do plan to speak more about skills in a future update.
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August 2nd, 2013, 02:30
Originally Posted by Ihaterpg View Post
I'm all about not forgetting the importance of the little hands doing the hard work. But thinking that leading and directing isn't very important into leading a project to quality, is very naive.
It's always nice to be appreciated - I'm a project manager myself.
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