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May 10th, 2009, 16:30
Reminds me of the LotR movies,I like it(except that love part).
I guess I'm a brainless teen….
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May 10th, 2009, 17:17
This is the first trailer for Dragon Age that I've looked at. To me, graphic blood isn't mature, it's for the kiddies. Teen-age boys mostly. You wanna make an adult game? Put in graphic sex, instead of graphic violence. Everyone has done graphic violence, so EA's game doesn't stand out. The Witcher put in some really tame sex, so up the ante in that direction. As an adult male, I'd rather watch a nice sex scene than cut off heads and watch blood spurt. Of course, what I'd really rather do is PLAY a good game with exploration, stat/skill/attribute-manipulation, magic, etc. Would that be too much to ask for in a crpg?

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May 10th, 2009, 17:21
At least now I know which kind of audience they do NOT want.

Me.

If they're REALLY brilliant, then they'll show as the next trailer considting of nothing but the direct opposite.

THEN they would get my attention.

Because it would show to me that they're not just fishing for … an audience.

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May 10th, 2009, 17:46
Why Bioware or Bethesda still exist while Troika is dead? It makes me sad
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May 10th, 2009, 18:48
Hm. I have no problem with blood and gore, but this is just OTT. It's like every creature has an internal ketchup reservoir that pops whenever they're hit! It looks…stupid. I think that if Mr Gaider is trying to 'appeal to another market that might not even consider this game otherwise' - i.e. gore-fest action junkies - then he's misleading them and he should be ashamed. I assume they won't like an RPG, regardless of how much violence it has… I know many such people, who simply don't like thinking about choices, reading dialogue etc. They want to destroy stuff. Unless DA is in fact NOT an RPG, in which case he's misleading us. So which is it? I hope thye're not planning to use that music in the game…I tolerate that crap in FPS's, but after the great atmospheric/period/appropriate music in titles like Icewind Dale, Baldur's agtre etc, that woud be unimaginably hideous.
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May 10th, 2009, 18:55
Some people here are obviously not tough enough to handle a Bioware game.
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May 10th, 2009, 19:04
Priestly has already said Manson's music won't be in the game.

Bioware treating objects like women man.
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May 10th, 2009, 19:11
Originally Posted by crpgnut View Post
This is the first trailer for Dragon Age that I've looked at. To me, graphic blood isn't mature, it's for the kiddies.
But it *is* Dark! not to mention Gritty! no?

Teen-age boys mostly. You wanna make an adult game? Put in graphic sex, instead of graphic violence. Everyone has done graphic violence, so EA's game doesn't stand out. The Witcher put in some really tame sex, so up the ante in that direction. As an adult male, I'd rather watch a nice sex scene than cut off heads and watch blood spurt. Of course, what I'd really rather do is PLAY a good game with exploration, stat/skill/attribute-manipulation, magic, etc. Would that be too much to ask for in a crpg?
What I'd really *really* want to play is a good game with exploration, stat/skill/attribute manipulation, magic, copious use of social skills, choices with consequences, an exciting narrative, *and* graphic sex and violence (involving a codependent elf girlfriend with blue skin and/or tentacles for hair). I'm willing to cede Marilyn Manson, unless he plays the codependent elf girlfriend, in which case I definitely want him in. What are the odds, d'you reckon?
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May 10th, 2009, 19:34
RPG? Tentacles? Little elven girl? Choices and consequences?

Damn! That would be awsome!!!



Mr Gaider is trying to 'appeal to another market that might not even consider this game otherwise' - i.e. gore-fest action junkies - then he's misleading them and he should be ashamed. I assume they won't like an RPG, regardless of how much violence it has… I know many such people, who simply don't like thinking about choices, reading dialogue etc. They want to destroy stuff.
And DA will be about destrying stuff not about boring dialogues and choices. Like most of latest "cRPGs". Fallout 3, Oblivion, Ass Deffect (ok, this one wasn't so bad as cRPG), Gothic III… which one was about something more that killing?
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May 10th, 2009, 19:38
So this is what the children like nowadays. EPIC, DARK, HEROIC FANTASY… hahaha. I hate this game now more then ever. All of this gritty, dark thing is just being forced too much - "Look Dragon Age is so mature!!!!111 Did we mentioned it's very mature!!!!111". Looks like they don't believe themselfs in what they're saying.
Another so so game by BioWare.

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Why Bioware or Bethesda still exist while Troika is dead? It makes me sad
Because games without tons of stupidity don't sell that well.
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May 10th, 2009, 19:42
Originally Posted by Konjad View Post
And DA will be about destrying stuff not about boring dialogues and choices. Like most of latest "cRPGs". Fallout 3, Oblivion, Ass Deffect (ok, this one wasn't so bad as cRPG), Gothic III… which one was about something more that killing?
We don't actually know that yet, you know, and there are even indications to the contrary.
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May 10th, 2009, 19:43
Originally Posted by Explodin' Gobbo View Post
Because games without tons of stupidity don't sell that well.
Don't you think Troika's inability to ship a game that isn't chock-full of bugs, some of them game-breaking, might have something to do with it too?
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May 10th, 2009, 19:46
Looks awesome for a game from 2005.

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May 10th, 2009, 20:08
I think there are not so many games where themes, stories, characters and world settings are expected to be consistent. Bioware says that Dragon Age is a dark and heroic fantasy. The world is gray and dark enough for you to indulge yourself with violence and sex but, be assured, you can still be one of epic heroes. I know main stream games require much money but don't you think they are trying to appeal too many audiences?
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May 10th, 2009, 20:20
Originally Posted by Dusk View Post
I think there are not so many games where themes, stories, characters and world settings are expected to be consistent. Bioware says that Dragon Age is a dark and heroic fantasy. The world is gray and dark enough for you to indulge yourself with violence and sex but, be assured, you can still be one of epic heroes. I know main stream games require much money but don't you think they are trying to appeal too many audiences?
Hey! You forgot Gritty!

It's a shame, though, if things have gotten to the point where you can only engage in sex in gray, dark, and violent (not to mention gritty) worlds.

I've only been keeping about one eye on the DA hype, although lately my interest level has been rising. And no, I don't think so. They've been pretty clear from the outset that this is a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate, only Dark! and Gritty!. What they've shown so far is pretty consistent with that basic line. PnP based character development system — check. Gobs of quests — check. Epic main quest — check. Gobs of character customization options — check. Character background and development affecting plotlines — check. Lots of dialog — check. Blood — check. Sex — check. A color palette that looks like a garlic omelet vomited into a London sewer — check.

I hated David Gaider's writing sample so much that I can't take this thing entirely seriously, but from where I'm at, it *looks* like they're trying to appeal to the hardcore cRPG crowd who liked the BG's, the Fallouts, the NWN's, The Witcher, and so on, and not console jockeys who have never played anything more complex than Oblivion.

IOW, I'm not expecting an OMG! instant classic here (although that would be nice), but I do have a much better feeling about this than I ever did about Jade Empire (which I rather liked) or Mass Effect (which was a disappointment).

It's unreasonable to expect BioWare to do a game that isn't a BioWare game, which means that a certain amount of (OK, rather a lot really) of cliché and formulaic writing is to be expected; BioWare never was particularly strong at breaking clichés or making huge creative leaps.

It is somewhat more reasonable to hope that they try something else than consolizing everything like they've been doing ever since KOTOR, and since this is — I think — what they're trying to do with DA, they deserve a bit more encouragement than they're getting here.

So I'm fairly certain I'll be buying this as soon as it hits the shelves.
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May 10th, 2009, 20:24
Seems the trailer did exactly what it planned to do. Create a lot of good and bad publicity. And there is no bad publicity. Ergo, they did a good job.

So this is what the children like nowadays. EPIC, DARK, HEROIC FANTASY… hahaha. I hate this game now more then ever. All of this gritty, dark thing is just being forced too much - "Look Dragon Age is so mature!!!!111 Did we mentioned it's very mature!!!!111". Looks like they don't believe themselfs in what they're saying.
Another so so game by BioWare.
Liking violence, blood and gore has nothing to do with maturity. I love violent movies/games/books and am quite mature. (at least I think so ) If you don't get what the trailer was meant to do you're going to feel offended. The very fact that you already hate the game speaks volumes. You're already making it personal.

I'm also quite sure I'll be getting it since it looks like it's gonna be quite good. Yeah, I can see past marketing and still see quality in this one.
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May 10th, 2009, 20:44
@PJ

At least, I understand this kind of business model works and, to be honest, the story is almost same here: I haven't played Jade Empire and Mass Effect but I have keeping an eye on Dragon Age simply because I'm interested in some classic RPG elements. Also, the lack of the universal morality slider appeals me. A part of me would like designers to take the content of their works more seriously while another part, or, probably, consumer part, is O.K. with the game as a whole. Although I'm not totally happy with it, I guess it's a "deal" to me.
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May 10th, 2009, 22:09
Originally Posted by crpgnut View Post
This is the first trailer for Dragon Age that I've looked at. To me, graphic blood isn't mature, it's for the kiddies. Teen-age boys mostly. You wanna make an adult game? Put in graphic sex,
Amen!

I think bioware should just do hardcore porn. Elf porn to be exact. There aren't many games with that kind of content.

Seriously though DA is a game with tons of potential. Hopefully it is as memorable as bg2
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May 10th, 2009, 22:54
Originally Posted by danutz_plusplus View Post
The very fact that you already hate the game speaks volumes. You're already making it personal.

I'm also quite sure I'll be getting it since it looks like it's gonna be quite good. Yeah, I can see past marketing and still see quality in this one.
So he already hates the game without playing it, and you already love the game without playing it. Personal as well, no?

Looks like the trailer is doing its job (besides appealing to a certain demographic) - it's provoking plenty of discussion. Hell I'm commenting and I haven't even seen it.
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May 10th, 2009, 23:16
What did you expect? A bunch of numbers floating by as elven maidens crunch "to hit" math?
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