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May 10th, 2009, 23:35
Originally Posted by DeepO View Post
Some people here are obviously not tough enough to handle a Bioware game.
Nice try.

I can handle much more, it's just that I don't want to.

I can switch my emotions totally off while watching a horror movie if I want to. Then I'll just concentrate on how good the special effects and the play of the actors is.

But this has also something to do with meeting my personal taste. Should I drink Tabasco only to show that I'm "tough" ?

“ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in the opposite direction.“ (E.F.Schumacher, Economist, Source)
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May 10th, 2009, 23:43
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Liking violence, blood and gore has nothing to do with maturity. I love violent movies/games/books and am quite mature. (at least I think so )
I actually like some games which most people would call "immature". Just because of the fun they contain. And I'm mature, too (at least I think so. )

Last Saturday I bought this game for me - because I just love unicorns. Pure, white beings of fantasy realms … No dark and not gritty at all.

Am I now immature ? Am I sick ? For such a … "stupid" game ? With my currently 39 years of age ?

I knew what I did. And I consciously decided to buy this game for me. And for no-one else.

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May 11th, 2009, 00:53
Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer View Post
Nice try.

I can handle much more, it's just that I don't want to.

I can switch my emotions totally off while watching a horror movie if I want to. Then I'll just concentrate on how good the special effects and the play of the actors is.

But this has also something to do with meeting my personal taste. Should I drink Tabasco only to show that I'm "tough" ?
Why would you switch your emotions totally off while watching horror movie? It doesn't make much sense to me. Isn't the whole point of horror movies to make a viewer feel "frightened". Atleast when I'm watching a film (horror/comedy/drama etc)..I let my emotions fly freely.

Besides really whats so special in DA's violence . Severance the blade of darkness did this years ago. And if you look at outside the rpg genre, many shooters have had their share of blood and gore for ages…From the orgnial wolfvestein 3d…
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May 11th, 2009, 00:54
Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer View Post
Nice try.
Chris Priestley of Bioware about the trailer:
"*Warning* May contain spoilers.
*Second Warning* Contains killer Marilyn Manson score
*Final Warning* Contains blood. Not for the faint hearted or weak stomached.
If you΄re not tough enough to handle our game, turn back now."
http://daforums.bioware.com/viewtopi…7607&forum=135

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May 11th, 2009, 01:18
I never got horror movies… all you have are stereotypical beautiful people that get butchered (since no one has sympathy for ugly people dying) in the most unrealistically grotesque manners possible. There's no story, there's no real drama since the very real subject of death is made light anyway. So basically they try to "shock" us, which if you've cruised along the internet long enough, shouldn't be possible anymore. I mean, there's tons of sites out there that show you all kinds of mangled corpses, people being slaughtered, executions, torture, why do we need to see this all in movies were it will be goofy, unrealistic, not funny, and to be completely honest, boring? It's like that movie Chaos I believe it's called. The evil people rape and torture some girls and then *gasp* THE BAD GUY ESCAPES AND DOESN"T DIE!!! It's all just a lame attempt to try and gain cult classic status or something. FAIL.

This is why it's sad that Bioware would take this route. Anytime you have some marketing ape babbling about "U HAVE BEEN WARNED GUIZE ITS BAD DONT WATCH LOL!" you know you really shouldn't watch it since it's likely lame.

I can appreciate over the top violence that relishes it's cheesiness. Games like Blood, Carmageddon, Duke Nukem, et al had no illusions of being serious. They were jokes, parodies. Is DA a joke?
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May 11th, 2009, 01:38
is Friday the 13th the only horror movie that youve ever seen? Not all horror is slasher genre.

Why are you getting so worked up anyway about this? People were so worried that the thing wasnt displaying enough blood and realism first, now they put out one pump-em-up trailer dripping w/ it and youre all turning up your noses like it's totally tasteless or soemthing. Its combat, the core of a lot of this type of game is combat. So wtf is the problem?

How much caffiene do you drink Thoth? Ive been meaning to ask you that. I have the impression after reading a lot of your posts that youre a 4-6 cup of java type of guy
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May 11th, 2009, 01:55
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is Friday the 13th the only horror movie that youve ever seen? Not all horror is slasher genre.
I've seen enough to know they're all the same. Hills have eyes, that crap that Rob Zombie makes, the old ones like Halloween, last house on the left (or was it right?), blah blah.

What other genre's are there? Like The Grudge or something? Obviously this game isn't going to be into scary crap jumping out of wells. It's apparently another game were a slash from a sword produces 50 gallons of blood. This is a critical RPG element apparently.

Why are you getting so worked up anyway about this? People were so worried that the thing wasnt displaying enough blood and realism first, now they put something out dripping w/ it and youre turning up your nose like it's totally tasteless or soemthing
I never complained about there not being blood. I have complained that it isn't very realistic, because it isn't. Having your party members hacked down only to get back up after a battle is over and be fine except maybe requiring some healing potions is pretty stupid. Bioware wasn't afraid of forcing the player to raise dead in the BG games, I don't see why they can't do so now. Why do companies feel that they'll hurt our self esteem or something?

How much caffiene do you drink Thoth, Ive always meant to ask you that. I have the impression after reading a lot of your posts that youre a 4-6 cup type of guy


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May 11th, 2009, 01:56
I don't enjoy mindless ultra violent horror films. I'm talking about horror films like shining where the horror element isn't done over the top, where the horror element is more psychological nature. A good horror film doesn't have to be full of gore or violence. Dr jekyl and mr hyde, island of lost souls, 28 days later, The birds, psycho for example aren't very violent, but they are considred as horror classics and good movies as a whole.
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May 11th, 2009, 02:01
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I don't enjoy mindless ultra violent horror films. I'm talking about horror films like shining where the horror element isn't done over the top, where the horror element is more psychological nature. A good horror film doesn't have to be full of gore or violence. Dr jekyl and mr hyde, island of lost souls, 28 days later, The birds, psycho for example aren't very violent, but they are considred as horror classics and good movies as a whole.
I wouldn't include 28 days later since that movie suffered from the herky jerky OMG camera technique that plagues most modern movies. Plus, I thought it was over the top, but then I tend to think most zombie movies are goofy to begin with.

The rest, yeah definitely. I'd say that the psychological horror in most episodes of The Twilight Zone blow away anything made nowadays with all their cg and gimmicks.
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May 11th, 2009, 02:52
There are plenty other types of horror film beyond slashers, and quite frankly, slashers are widely considered to be at the bottom of the totem pole. Monster horror, like The Fly, The Relic, Cloverfield, Salem's Lot and the myriad of vampire and werewolf films immediately come to mind. In those youve got the more artsy stuff like Interview w/ the Vampire and In the Shadow of the Vampire. Sci-fi horror like Alien, the original Terminator, Event Horizon, etc. Ghostie flicks like Shining, Poltergeist, the Ring. Youve got the foreign horrors like european Hammer Studios classics w/ christopher lee and the like doing all their Draculas and all their stuff. Youve got asian horror which tends to be more spiritual in nature, wild spanish and mexican horror which is way out there.. then you got zombies, or the new equivelent "infected" stuff. This is just generalities too, there's stuff that falls between the cracks and doesnt fall into any sort of hard category. Saying that slasher films epitomize ALL horror belies your little knowledge of the subject. It's like saying all comedy is like those retarded Ace Ventura type films, or all rpgs are just like Diablo so why bother playing any others after youve experienced it.

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For the record, I'm against the "nobody dies" thing too in games, that's why I tend to just reload generally after someone falls. Im not of the opinion that it's for self-esteem reasons tho, I'm more thinking that it's to keep the game moving along instead of having people by default forced into being obsessive (like me) and having to do a particular section ad inifinitum without losing a trooper. Blood is realistic tho, it sprays when someone is hit by a blade. That's just the way it is
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May 11th, 2009, 02:52
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I wouldn't include 28 days later since that movie suffered from the herky jerky OMG camera technique that plagues most modern movies.
I would include it. It's a great zombie/disease zombie movie. You gotta love zombies that run their butts off instead of shuffling towards the victim.

As for the trailer. Lots of blood that's for sure. I like how they're not trying to please everyone and their mother with "nice, wholesome" entertainment. The trailer was over the top, but I think that was what they were going for. I mean it is titled Violence after all.

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May 11th, 2009, 03:13
Originally Posted by xSamhainx View Post
There are plenty other types of horror film beyond slashers, and quite frankly, slashers are widely considered to be at the bottom of the totem pole. Monster horror, like The Fly, The Relic, Cloverfield, Salem's Lot and the myriad of vampire and werewolf films immediately come to mind. In those youve got the more artsy stuff like Interview w/ the Vampire and In the Shadow of the Vampire. Sci-fi horror like Alien, the original Terminator, Event Horizon, etc. Ghostie flicks like Shining, Poltergeist, the Ring. Youve got the foreign horrors like european Hammer Studios classics w/ christopher lee and the like doing all their Draculas and all their stuff. Youve got asian horror which tends to be more spiritual in nature, wild spanish and mexican horror which is way out there.. then you got zombies, or the new equivelent "infected" stuff. This is just generalities too, there's stuff that falls between the cracks and doesnt fall into any sort of hard category. Saying that slasher films epitomize ALL horror belies your little knowledge of the subject. It's like saying all comedy is like those retarded Ace Ventura type films, or all rpgs are just like Diablo so why bother playing any others after youve experienced it.
I'm assuming that the talk of horror was based on this new DA trailer, so I was only focusing on slasher movies, because that's what this trailer looks like. Lots of blood, little substance. I've seen most of those movies you listed as well as genres. I have to admit, I never considered some of them to be horror though.

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This is very true, but I must obey the the Good Doctor. I must.

For the record, I'm against the "nobody dies" thing too in games, that's why I tend to just reload generally after someone falls. Im not of the opinion that it's for self-esteem reasons tho, I'm more thinking that it's to keep the game moving along instead of having people by default forced into being obsessive (like me) and having to do a particular section ad inifinitum without losing a trooper. Blood is realistic tho, it sprays when someone is hit by a blade. That's just the way it is
The self-esteem bit is just a joke, but it does appear to appeal to casual gamers in order to make the game easier or something. Gone are the days were games actually challenge you.

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As for the trailer. Lots of blood that's for sure. I like how they're not trying to please everyone and their mother with "nice, wholesome" entertainment. The trailer was over the top, but I think that was what they were going for. I mean it is titled Violence after all.
Please. They know what they can get away with. Parents these days don't seem to care about video games anymore so there won't be any controversy. If there was, then Bioware would avoid it unless it promised profit, like the GTA games. I'm not impressed by violence. To me it's a gimmick.

Now what I would be impressed with is a truly realistic shooter or something. Like say, you shoot some guy in the gut, there's a puff of smoke from his stomach, he collapses, gurgles and carries on, maybe starts crying or something and takes like five minutes to actually die. Perhaps it would make the kids think a little as opposed to just slashing enemies that are apparently filled with blood, gravy, and three bones that disappear after a few seconds.
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May 11th, 2009, 04:10
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Please. They know what they can get away with. Parents these days don't seem to care about video games anymore so there won't be any controversy. If there was, then Bioware would avoid it unless it promised profit, like the GTA games. I'm not impressed by violence. To me it's a gimmick.
Please yourself, you don't know for a fact that Bioware "knows that they can get away with it". In any case, I don't give a rat's behind if they can get away with it or not. All I care about is that they are making mature games instead of going in the "Sonic the Hedgehog" style of content. Someone already posted earlier about how they had trailers dealing with the RPG and gameplay portion of the game so why not throw in a silly gimmicky trailer. Get that console crowd on board

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Please yourself, you don't know for a fact that Bioware "knows that they can get away with it". In any case, I don't give a rat's behind if they can get away with it or not. All I care about is that they are making mature games instead of going in the "Sonic the Hedgehog" style of content. Someone already posted earlier about how they had trailers dealing with the RPG and gameplay portion of the game so why not throw in a silly gimmicky trailer. Get that console crowd on board
How is anything in that trailer mature? All I saw were big dudes with shoulder pads slashing through other dudes with geysers of what appear to be hot sauce spraying everywhere, some woman wearing modern day lingerie and having what appears to be awkward sex or something, more blood, dragons, loud and terrible music.

But you're right, it was for console kids and casual gamers, it's just a shame that that audience has to influence potentially good games.
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May 11th, 2009, 06:28
Watching this reminded me of George R. R. Martin's books. It was dark, unapologetic and suggestive of the violent, political and sexual strategies and tactics one might expect in an adult fantasy-adventure world suddenly squeezed under the heavy thumb of natural selection.

Martin's a slow writer, maybe because his work isn't easy. I grew tired of waiting for him to write more and gave up after re-reading his first two or three books. I don't imagine making a game reminiscent of them would be any easier.

It could be good or it could be bad…we'll just have to wait and see.

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May 11th, 2009, 06:49
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How is anything in that trailer mature?
Thoth are you playing dumb? I gave the example of Sonic the Hedgehog. After they announced they were doing that game I dreaded that all games they made were going to be toned down and more family friendly. Obviously this isn't family friendly.

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But you're right, it was for console kids and casual gamers, it's just a shame that that audience has to influence potentially good games.
Did you see the other trailers? Have you read anything about this game? Have you read what the developers and Bioware people have said about it? If you have you would know just how ridiculuos it is to say that console kids had any influence on this game. They made it first for the PC and then it seems as an afterthought they're porting it to the consoles.

So what, they made one silly trailer that is filled with blood and gore. They have tons of other material and other trailers dealing with the other aspects of the game. What the hell is wrong with doing something silly and stupid sometimes?I've been reading these threads at DA, the codex and here. All of them seem to have the same theme of "OMG it's lame". Come on people get over yourself. It's a stupid trailer that isn't meant to be taken seriously. Like I said there is tons of other material out there if you want to know about the real game.

Plus I liked it, but I like tacky shit and I like that song. I'm not basing my decision on whether or not to buy this game because of this trailer. I already have all the info I need about that.

Anyone remember when Black Isle released Easter Egg Morte or Leprechaun Annah patch for Torment? This trailer sorta reminds me of that. When a company does something silly for no reason at all other than some stupid fun.

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May 11th, 2009, 07:18
Please! No calling for more game-engine sex scenes! I like a little smut as much as the next guy, but let's be honest: the technology (and usually the writers) just isn't up to it. Either do CGI or don't do it at all. In fact, maybe not even with CGI at this point. It's embarrassing. Watching this little piece of DA foolishness made me cringe when it came to the "sex" scene. That kind of eye-roll-inducing, sophomoric, ham-fisted, wooden nonsense justifies the opinion that gamers are overgrown children living with their parents in the basement.
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Good looking models and imagery seem to work out if done well, but the minute they start simulating any kinda sexual act - i agree it's downright cringeworthy. Violence can be pulled off, but graphic sex is a tall order.

Ive been seeing ads for "simpsons" porn around lately, and it just boggles my mind. Seriously. Just when i thought Ive seen it all, there's some goofball doin the 5 knuckle shuffle to a marge simpson gangbang. So we may be in the minority on this one!
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May 11th, 2009, 08:38
At least the battlefield looked more like battlefield, not like Teen 13+ version of it (often bloodless or close to it) As for that minuscule "sex" part - well, either have the balls to show at least naked people, or don't bother at all - in this form it doesn't make much sense, if any at all. I understand they didn't want to anger nutters and prudes, but still …

Anyway, for a small "experimental" trailer - some of the conclusions drawn here are rather far fetched. IMHO.
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May 11th, 2009, 08:47
Considering that Mansons song is actually a barbed commentary on the mindless infatuation of society with everything that is "extreme", "cool", "violent", i.e. the next media hype (and the next, and the next) this trailer is actually quite a deliciously ironic thing. Just like the song itself, btw, which most probably just mindlessly sing along with, without getting it's meaning at all (do we get it? No! Do we want it? Yes!)I don't know if it is conscious, but if it is, this thing is working on so many levels, that it is actually almost transcending into art. Maybe it is even art especially if it is not conscious…
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