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August 24th, 2009, 14:20
Eurogamer has a nice retrospective on Planescape: Torment. Here's a sample:
Planescape is the game most likely to be name-dropped by PC journalists, after Deus Ex. Planescape is the game that took the cigarette-end of the superb Baldur's Gate engine-based games and immolated their legacy in a ball of conspicuous failure, followed shortly by the apparent collapse of its publisher, Interplay. Planescape is a game that, shamefacedly, one of our writers gave 7/10 to, though his reasons were just. Planescape is the only game I've ever borrowed and not given back (I do hope they're not reading…)
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August 24th, 2009, 14:20
Very good article. Then again, I'm biased, and generally approve of any praise PS:T is given. Without a doubt one of my all time favourite games, though it took me several runs through the game to realize just how comprehensive and amazing it is - among other things, you need to be a mage with very high stats to see the entire story behind Dak'kon (very interesting tale, by the way).

Speaking of which, I should replay PS:T sometime soon..
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August 24th, 2009, 14:29
They brought up stuff like it "needing to be fixed" and being incomplete being flaws of the game, but that was certainly never an impression I got when the game came out. Granted, I do feel it's not nearly as good from Curst and onwards, nearly every RPG I can think of have a down-period like that in the game.

But I always felt PS:T felt like a very complete game, no problems with bugs etc.
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August 24th, 2009, 14:32
I agree, Planescape is great…. even if I did enjoy BG & IWD just a bit more.
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August 24th, 2009, 14:58
Nice intro, I laughed
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August 24th, 2009, 14:58
Originally Posted by JDR13 View Post
I agree, Planescape is great…. even if I did enjoy BG & IWD just a bit more.
Eeew, don't know about IWD. I passed on that but I'm playing it now, and it's just battle after battle without even a real city to go to.
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August 24th, 2009, 15:54
Agreed on IWD. Bore fest story-wise. And despite the greatness of the engine, even battle (that are fairly repetitive in that game) become a chore after a while.
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August 24th, 2009, 16:43
I couldn't stand IWD either.

More polished than planescape, but so utterly lacking in anything else at all that I'm amazed anyone could prefer it to planescape.
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August 24th, 2009, 17:11
IWD lives or dies on your opinion of combat with the D&D / Infinity engine, IMO. I like it, but put it behind the BG games and PST in my IE game list.

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August 24th, 2009, 17:16
Originally Posted by txa1265 View Post
IWD lives or dies on your opinion of combat with the D&D / Infinity engine, IMO. I like it, but put it behind the BG games and PST in my IE game list.
Infinity engine combat is bad but I enjoyed IWD series. Anyway if you want great combat system you should play Temple of Elemental Evil.
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August 24th, 2009, 17:26
Originally Posted by txa1265 View Post
IWD lives or dies on your opinion of combat with the D&D / Infinity engine, IMO. I like it, but put it behind the BG games and PST in my IE game list.
I'd say IWD lives or dies on your ability to enjoy a game purely for the combat even if it has nothing else.
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August 24th, 2009, 17:28
Lots of varying opinions on the Engine. I liked them all, but that's not saying much. I'm easy to please

Still with my opionion aside there aren't many games that still have a following like Baldur's Gate/IWD/Torment. Only a few old games come to mind like Wizards and Warriors and Forgotten Realms Unlimited Adventures.

I believe that just about everyone at the pocket plane group would disagree that the engine combat was bad.

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August 24th, 2009, 17:37
IWD was my favourite of all the IE games because the game was focussed and the story was compelling. It wasn't like any linear game I had played before - in fact it never occurred to me it was that type of game. The expansions were horrible though but they made up for it IWD2 - an equally great game.

PS:T I felt was really bogged down and BG was never that compelling but all the subplots were distracting. It was a lot more fun than Morrowind though and BG2 was quite a bit better.

Who owns IWD now? OE have suggested they bought the rights off Interplay but I've seen different from Atari since.

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August 24th, 2009, 21:02
Hmm, couldn't read it. The writing style is too pseudo-intellectual and pompous for my taste. Loved PS:T, though.
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August 24th, 2009, 21:22
I enjoyed them both - PST was fine if I was in a serious mood, but sometimes you want traditional high fantasy D&D and IWD did that better than any other IE game.
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August 24th, 2009, 21:34
Originally Posted by vanedor View Post
Agreed on IWD. Bore fest story-wise. And despite the greatness of the engine, even battle (that are fairly repetitive in that game) become a chore after a while.
I wouldn't say the story is boring, but it's definitely not on the same level as PST. I enjoy things other than story though, especially combat when it came to the Infinity Engine games, and PST was pretty bad in that department.


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I couldn't stand IWD either.

More polished than planescape, but so utterly lacking in anything else at all that I'm amazed anyone could prefer it to planescape.
I amazed that you've even played it, because it doesn't sound like you have…
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August 25th, 2009, 02:10
IMO, IWD has the best atmosphere and art direction of any of the IE games (even better than PST's), and is exactly how a 'low story' RPG should be- you aren't hit over the head with exposition every five minutes but it is there is you want to find it. PST has the best story, BG2 the best combat.
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August 25th, 2009, 03:08
PST = Best. BG2 = Almost the Best. BG = Good. IWD = Decent. IWD2 = Poor. For me.
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August 25th, 2009, 10:10
Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
The writing style is too pseudo-intellectual and pompous for my taste.
Which is imho quite the opposite to the more recent "standard" in RPGs nowadays.

Not to mention Action-RPGs at all, which sometimes - or should I say "traditionally" ? - hardly have a story at all.

To me, the style used in PS:T is feeding me much better than the "standard food" given out with most RPGs.

But on the other hand, I'm not standard at all …

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August 25th, 2009, 13:18
Thrasher was talking about the article's style.
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